Spanish Crusaders Pendant/medallions twin? same site! Oh my!!!
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We found a twin of the Spanish medallion! just 2 meters apart at 6 feet depth! and another coin that I can't identify 
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
1/ What were Spanish crusaders doing in the Phillipines?
2/ 6 feet deep? What detector are you using?
1/ What were Spanish crusaders doing in the Phillipines?
2/ 6 feet deep? What detector are you using?
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
15th Century Spanish Crusaders colonized the Philippines. I'm using an old Tesoro "Diablo II" Gold Demon. The first one we got is an iron spearhead, my mystic friend insisted to keep on digging as we found porcelain around the place...
15th Century Spanish Crusaders colonized the Philippines. I'm using an old Tesoro "Diablo II" Gold Demon. The first one we got is an iron spearhead, my mystic friend insisted to keep on digging as we found porcelain around the place...
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
That Spearhead sure looks interesting
That Spearhead sure looks interesting
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That is Fantastic !! two pendants and a spearhead first pendant has a biblical Hero and my first name St . Michael the Arc Angel 
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That is Fantastic !! two pendants and a spearhead
first pendant has a biblical Hero and my first name St . Michael the Arc Angel dawg
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Sure is... It is still sharp, I was wondering why it didn't got much rusted, because, the other iron items we found was heavily rusted, then I noticed that the spearhead had some silver coating on it!!!
Sure is... It is still sharp, I was wondering why it didn't got much rusted, because, the other iron items we found was heavily rusted, then I noticed that the spearhead had some silver coating on it!!!
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
Are you sure its spanish,Roma is Rome italy in Italian
Are you sure its spanish,Roma is Rome italy in Italian
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
Wow that thing looks like it was made yesterday...wait a minute...
Wow that thing looks like it was made yesterday...wait a minute...
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
the coin is a arabic coin * the O. is 50 in arabic ---look up arabic numbers --- strangely the coin looks modern --there is also some arabic lettering on the coin which could help ID it as far as what country and when it was made as well.
it is well known --- that the phillipine muslim "moro"'s are believed to be mixed blood decendants of local women and of arabic spice traders that many many years ago used to come to the phillipine islands to trade for / gather spices .
the spanish when they came brought "roman catholic" missionarys (preist from spain, italy and other catholic countries as well )-- the moros who were muslim fought off any attempts to be " force converted" or "enslaved" as they veiwed it / made to "work for the benefiet of the spanish and catholic church coffers " *
the moro's have never been fully subdued (it would require them to be totally wiped out every man /woman and child to do so) -- they have never be subdued not by the spanish , nor the americans when they "ran" the phillipines , nor the japanese when they did --or the local phillipine govt afterwards either and still to this very day -- they violently resent anyone trying to tell them what to do or how to live.
catholic spanish persons like all of those of "roman catholic" faith * would often carry medals of their "guardian saints" upon their person --- even ships were named with "religious" names for holy protection at sea by the spanish --italy even today is a large maker of "religious saint medals" for those of the catholic faith
ROMA is of course ROME * in ITALIAN
that is a odd mixture of items --a arabic coin (muslim faith? ) and 2 roman catholic religious medals? (st michel the archangel)
6 feet down?--could maybe be WW2 items buried by soldiers --or buried with dead soldiers when they died.
the spearhead might have been a "WW2 era" local made weapon --phillipine resistance fighters usecd anything and everything to fight the japanese -- old files could be converted to spearheads quite easily and attached to bamboo shafts . --not the best weapon but if one caught a enemy soldier off guard or in dense jungle one could kill him with it
the pottery can tell a lot "age wize" about the sites usage as far as by who and when .
the coin is a arabic coin * the O. is 50 in arabic ---look up arabic numbers --- strangely the coin looks modern --there is also some arabic lettering on the coin which could help ID it as far as what country and when it was made as well.
it is well known --- that the phillipine muslim "moro"'s are believed to be mixed blood decendants of local women and of arabic spice traders that many many years ago used to come to the phillipine islands to trade for / gather spices .
the spanish when they came brought "roman catholic" missionarys (preist from spain, italy and other catholic countries as well )-- the moros who were muslim fought off any attempts to be " force converted" or "enslaved" as they veiwed it / made to "work for the benefiet of the spanish and catholic church coffers " *
the moro's have never been fully subdued (it would require them to be totally wiped out every man /woman and child to do so) -- they have never be subdued not by the spanish , nor the americans when they "ran" the phillipines , nor the japanese when they did --or the local phillipine govt afterwards either and still to this very day -- they violently resent anyone trying to tell them what to do or how to live.
catholic spanish persons like all of those of "roman catholic" faith * would often carry medals of their "guardian saints" upon their person --- even ships were named with "religious" names for holy protection at sea by the spanish --italy even today is a large maker of "religious saint medals" for those of the catholic faith
ROMA is of course ROME * in ITALIAN
that is a odd mixture of items --a arabic coin (muslim faith? ) and 2 roman catholic religious medals? (st michel the archangel)
6 feet down?--could maybe be WW2 items buried by soldiers --or buried with dead soldiers when they died.
the spearhead might have been a "WW2 era" local made weapon --phillipine resistance fighters usecd anything and everything to fight the japanese -- old files could be converted to spearheads quite easily and attached to bamboo shafts . --not the best weapon but if one caught a enemy soldier off guard or in dense jungle one could kill him with it
the pottery can tell a lot "age wize" about the sites usage as far as by who and when .
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
Sorry but if that's my Spanish cousins pendant from the 15th C then I'm giving up detecting
Sorry but if that's my Spanish cousins pendant from the 15th C then I'm giving up detecting
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like I said the arabic coin reportly found with it looks fairly modern to me * its a 50 something value amount --
but even if ithe medals are modern ---if its gold say 14 K then it still a great find --since (2) 79 gram medals at 14 K would be worth a lot of cash .( roughly $3,000 or so) --not saying their old just "interesting" finds
with modern era looking arabic coins * I'm thinking troops during WWW2 that had formerly been in the middle east / africa area and came to the phillipines in 1944 , 6 feet deep = buried dead -- 2 catholic's coin was a sovie of "past action" in the middle east say 1942. or so
the spear point could be a local native type hunting weapon to get food -- bullets were too rare to use and gunfire draws unwanted "japanese" attention
wild azz guess
like I said the arabic coin reportly found with it looks fairly modern to me * its a 50 something value amount --
but even if ithe medals are modern ---if its gold say 14 K then it still a great find --since (2) 79 gram medals at 14 K would be worth a lot of cash .( roughly $3,000 or so) --not saying their old just "interesting" finds
with modern era looking arabic coins * I'm thinking troops during WWW2 that had formerly been in the middle east / africa area and came to the phillipines in 1944 , 6 feet deep = buried dead -- 2 catholic's coin was a sovie of "past action" in the middle east say 1942. or so
the spear point could be a local native type hunting weapon to get food -- bullets were too rare to use and gunfire draws unwanted "japanese" attention
wild azz guess
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
Thank you very much to all of you guys for watching and very informative replies! I'll be away for a little while, back to our digging site which already now looks like a small open pit mine site... we found another artifact which left me really speechless...
I'll post it later after cleaning.
Thank you very much to all of you guys for watching and very informative replies! I'll be away for a little while, back to our digging site which already now looks like a small open pit mine site... we found another artifact which left me really speechless...
I'll post it later after cleaning.
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How about you share some photo's of the find PRIOR to cleaning!
Glory Boy said:Thank you very much to all of you guys for watching and very informative replies! I'll be away for a little while, back to our digging site which already now looks like a small open pit mine site... we found another artifact which left me really speechless...
I'll post it later after cleaning.
How about you share some photo's of the find PRIOR to cleaning!
Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
It is a brass Anting-Anting amulet and probably fairly modern. They are apparently extremely common in the Phillipines, so I'm a bit surprised you haven't seen them before. Also, blades could be used as AA's, which might explain your spearhead. Although not valuable, they are interesting finds
It is a brass Anting-Anting amulet and probably fairly modern. They are apparently extremely common in the Phillipines, so I'm a bit surprised you haven't seen them before. Also, blades could be used as AA's, which might explain your spearhead. Although not valuable, they are interesting finds
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It appears to be as you have said, without a doubt a Anting-Anting and the identical one is pictured on a couple websites,(search the term, also try the "Image" function also when searching) so have to agree, most likely newer than older, but again, nice to see something different posted, and then learn something new, you can read on a few sites the history and legends behind Anting-Anting amulets...
http://kaliamu.blogspot.com/2010/08/anting-anting.html
Tobias said:It is a brass Anting-Anting amulet and probably fairly modern. They are apparently extremely common in the Phillipines, so I'm a bit surprised you haven't seen them before. Also, blades could be used as AA's, which might explain your spearhead. Although not valuable, they are interesting finds
It appears to be as you have said, without a doubt a Anting-Anting and the identical one is pictured on a couple websites,(search the term, also try the "Image" function also when searching) so have to agree, most likely newer than older, but again, nice to see something different posted, and then learn something new, you can read on a few sites the history and legends behind Anting-Anting amulets...
http://kaliamu.blogspot.com/2010/08/anting-anting.html
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Re: Spanish Crusader's Pendant/medallion's twin? same site! Oh my!!!
Glory Boy:
Where in the Philippines are you? I will be leaving Friday (along w/my wife, she's Filipino) to go to Mindanao, Iligan and Cagayan De Oro City to be exact......
Mike
Glory Boy:
Where in the Philippines are you? I will be leaving Friday (along w/my wife, she's Filipino) to go to Mindanao, Iligan and Cagayan De Oro City to be exact......
Mike
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