From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?

[Matteo La Boccia]

Here is reportage of our visit to a crash site of a C-47. We know it is crashed in summer of 1944. There are 19 men on it and 11 or 12 deceased. We will be glad to know more about this aircraft and about these men.

The place

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First find!

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The crash site

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Fragment of fuselage.

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Pilots and\or parachute equipment?

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Fragments.

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Object of men are in aircraft. I recognize a fragment of a fork U.S. Some idea for other objects?

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A lot of glass

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10 A 250 What it is?

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Fuselage fragment with LAD 24

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Plate from the bullet-proof jacket that have gunners in bombers. Do you know C-47 have gunners? We also find a bullet 12,7.

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Fragments of ceramic

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Fragments of ammunitions. Bullet of rocket. Bullets 12,7. Bullet and ball from Carbine M1. Balls from cal. 30.

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What it is?

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What it is?

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Fuze BURNDY A-10496

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What it is?

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Glass with N

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Small bottle DES PAT. 8 825

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Small bottle DES PAT 85...

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Small bottle K-4533 1-1

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Buttons and some small part

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Button and collar disk infantry

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Label RADIO CALL 315153. This is a sure reference to C-47 4315153.

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Mario, Pierpaolo e Angelo

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Thanks for every informations you can gave us!

 

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[VWandSTUDEBAKER]

WOW ! That is so cool ! Thanks for the pictures. Is that all you know is the call number and how do you know about the number of people ? Is there a link to a previous post you made with the info ?

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

WOW ! That is so cool ! Thanks for the pictures. Is that all you know is the call number and how do you know about the number of people ? Is there a link to a previous post you made with the info ?

We know about this crash site from a book of a local historian. He wrote that informations. The call number is the serial number of aircraft.

 

[VWandSTUDEBAKER]

I see you have posted on some other forums. I hope something comes up.. Did you check with these folks ?

http://www.archives.gov/

 

[tlf67]

Awesome find. Lots of good stuff.

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Thanks , Matteo for making the effort to get an names of lost airmen and returning any personal effects to the USA , I may be able to help , AAF C-47 crew and lost soldiers let us give thanks and always remember those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms, to extend that umbrella of freedom to others – freeing them from tyranny and oppression. CMDdawg

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

Someone can help me to find names of deceased soldiers? The date should be 31 july or 29 august 1944. Is possible to search US cemetery of Nettuno just with date of death?

 

[goonie1day]

Nice finds. Cant help much. 10A 250 is a fuse.

 

[drgeorge]

If you talk to some of the older people in the local area, then they may be able to help--even tose who were just kids at the time. Usually the deceased were interred in a separate area at the nearest cemetery. Also the town records will have some trace of the burials as well as the police reports for that period. Often the materials taken (salvaged) from these wrecks were used for civilian purposes--we've found panels from a crashed Ju-52 being used as a siding for a pig-pen, or to shore-up a saging cellar ceiling!! In another instance we saw armor plate from a Russian Il-2 Sturmovik used as a threshhold to a potato-cellar!
Good luck and HH!!!!!

 

[VWandSTUDEBAKER]

Someone can help me to find names of deceased soldiers? The date should be 31 july or 29 august 1944. Is possible to search US cemetery of Nettuno just with date of death?

Still doing some searching. I might know of a guy that can help if nothing is found.

http://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries/cemeteries/mailform.php?id=sr

http://www.abmc.gov/services/index.php

 

[VWandSTUDEBAKER]

Someone can help me to find names of deceased soldiers? The date should be 31 july or 29 august 1944. Is possible to search US cemetery of Nettuno just with date of death?

There has to be some kind of historian that would know how to find the dates.

Its a very beautiful cemetary from the pictures.

http://nuke.montecassinotour.com/THEWARCEMETERIESATANZIONETTUNO/tabid/80/Default.aspx

On the to left, there is a Meet your guide. Maybe they can help

 

[VWandSTUDEBAKER]

There has to be something on this site or someone to contact.

http://wwiiarchives.net/

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

Some other informations for someone that can help me: It is about 50 km south\east of Naples, Italy. The date of crash of this C-47 4315153 is 31 july or 29 august 1944. I know it take part to D-Day in Normandy.
Any other informations?

 

[VWandSTUDEBAKER]

Might try these people. I saw a drop down with names of contacts. Serveral in Europe, but none in Italy.

http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/

 

[J23]

Mateo-
I've dealt with this type of thing for 20 years, as my uncle was killed in Belgium at the Battle of the Bulge during WW2 and never recovered.
If there are possibly human remains near the site, you need to contact the Joint POW MIA Accounting Command in Hawaii immediately.
The attached website has all of their contact information.
http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/
Best
John

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

Mateo-
I've dealt with this type of thing for 20 years, as my uncle was killed in Belgium at the Battle of the Bulge during WW2 and never recovered.
If there are possibly human remains near the site, you need to contact the Joint POW MIA Accounting Command in Hawaii immediately.
The attached website has all of their contact information.
http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/
Best
John

Surely if will find. However I know bodies are buried in american cemetery in Italy. I think Nettuno War Memorial. I not know any name of soldiers. Do you can help me in some way to identify they? Thanks

 

[wwwtimmcp]

your what is its are locking mechanisms for cargo tie down straps. hole in handle thingy is a spoon/fork/knife handle for a u.s. gi military chow set.

 

[oldcoon]

The C-47 was a transport plane and thus not armed as a general rule. Some were mounted with side guns in VietNam for special missions.

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

your what is its are locking mechanisms for cargo tie down straps. hole in handle thingy is a spoon/fork/knife handle for a u.s. gi military chow set.

Many thanks. Do you have photos of these locking mechanisms?

 

[Matteo La Boccia]

Friend of another forum identify another tool of photo 7: a military type cotter key/pin puller