SWEET BATWING BUCKLE & relic from 1700 site and 2 SILVER !

[silversurfer1111]

hi all ... I need some help with this bat wing buckle i dug up today ..at a 1700 sight ..what was it used for ? and is it 1700 or early 1800 ?.. what in the world is this cool looking thing ...it is very ornate.. flowers and things all over it ... how old is it and what was it for ?... ...all I know is these are 2 of the coolest relics I have ever dug !...dug to silver 1 at the 1700 site and 1 at a old park.. both are 1951 .. what ever i will take them lol...dont know if this is a button or whatever . let me know ..and I dug over 6 $ in clad ..ordered some Gray Ghost Amphibian Headphones and a Predatortools Piranha ! sweet good day for me

you can click on the pics up to 3 time to make them bigger ..thank you all very much for your help on this one.. and thanks for looking

 

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[pepperj]

The ornate item very well could be a watch fob, with the center stone/bead missing. It also looks like it could be a watch winder looking at the piece.

 

[Evolution]

Nice finds.... love that batwing buckle!

 

[Pointman]

Nice batch of quarters you have there.

 

[silversurfer1111]

The ornate item very well could be a watch fob, with the center stone/bead missing. It also looks like it could be a watch winder looking at the piece.

wow thank you .. good info

 

[Greylock]

the little ornate piece ill say watch winder with a broken stem. A very nice one at that.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Yes it's a watch winder. The stem is whole, but the "spinner" bead/jewel is missing.

 

[silversurfer1111]

Yes it's a watch winder. The stem is whole, but the "spinner" bead/jewel is missing.

Excellent information. how old is it ?

 

[dig kzoo]

 

[CASPER-2]

beautiful "batwing"

 

[silversurfer1111]

beautiful "batwing" View attachment 879255

Thank you it is awesome ..just wish i new how old and what the bat wing buckle was for.

 

[g-olden years]

Superb Finds - WOW!

I think the batwing belt buckles were worn by large bats to hold up their warm woolen trousers when sleeping in icy cold caves -- flaw in my theory is that since they sleep upside down, their trousers wouldn't fall off even without the batwing belt buckles, lol. (Sorry for inane humor -- it's been a long, chaotic week & skewed levity has arrived.)

HAVE FUN! Andi

 

[CRUSADER]

OK everyone knew I would bite first.

Yes watch winder as others stated, it's possible but I have not seen a match that its 18th C.

Batwing - these are a 'common ish' find on mid-19th C sites. This has been seen many times on here, specially on sites that never started in the 18th C. Now, even if your site never continued into the mid-19th C I would be happier dating it to this period than assuming a tacked up horse (these are horse harness buckles) made it to an 'unknown' area (possible but far less probable). These buckles follow the classic manufacturing norms of most old horse buckles, ie they are made from brass & many have iron pins. The clincher would be the off-set bar (for thick leather) which many of these display, your looks like it doesn't have this but it's not enough of a difference to argue it's anything else. IMO. However, the lack of an off-set bar gives enough doubt to those who wish to place it in the Rev War period & to military use. I have yet to see a reliable reference/source that convinces me that this style of buckle started off in the 18th C as a military buckle & ended up in the 19th C as a commonly used horse harness buckle. Possible? but unlikely I think. It does mean that if you found it on a battle site you could sell it for far more than its worth & even being a house site someone will pay you good money believing its Rev War.

 

[Jyverb64]

Great buckle and the watch winder is awesome

 

[prolab69]

ive found 3 of those batwing type buckles at home sites, 2 under huge trees in the front yard sections and 1 in a field, my belief has always been "horse tac related" but the areas i hunt are all military tract issued land to service men for thier service in the Rev war. No silver plated ones have been posted on here that i know of, just plain brass ones, a buckle to fasten a strap that big points me in the direction of it being horse related.