3 Firsts at Field Site #2!!

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3 First's at Field Site #2!!

I have been working a field property with 3 sites. So far Site 1 has been productive and it's been hard to leave it and move on. After about an hour and a half today moving east/west over my previous north/south passes I was skunked. I decided to go investigate site #2 a little better. I have made a few wide swaths looking for the "brick" debris field. Although I have seen a lot of glass, crockery, iron/nails I wasn't sure how close to the actual site I was. Based on finding very few bricks, I think this may have been a frame home and the small amount of bricks may have been a from cooking/hearth.

1st) First. Surface find coin! So after settling on an area of glass and crockery shards, I started swinging my coil. It took about a half hour and I got a great loud/shallow 12/45 on the E-trac, after 3-4 left and right swipes pulling my coil backwards to pin point, there it was on the SURFACE an 1820 LC!

2nd) First. 3 LC day! After about 3 hours I found my 3rd LC. I have been lucky before, I think I've had 3 previous 2 LC days, but today I found 3! I found the 1820 (surface) an 1832 and 1842 a first for both of these dates. I also found a CW Store Card. Obverse, (I think) Mut. Life Ins. Co. Capital over 6,000,000 Dollars 1864. Reverse, (I think) C. W. Ellis Gen. Agt. 35 W. 3d St. Cin, O Dayton Agency 44 Jeff. St

3rd) First. Is also another Surface find and after 3 different determinations I'm still not sure what I have. "Counterfit" "Plated" Seated? So I'm filling in a hole about to get up and to my right at about arms length I see what I think is a flat button. I stretch out and grab it, flip it over to see if the shank is there, no shank? I see the faint shield of the Eagle, but didn't see the Eagle, although I thought it was a little small, I convinced my self it was a 2 cent coin. (1st determination) I filmed this find and even said, "it seem's small, but I guess I have found my 3rd ever 2 cent coin."

When I got home and rinsed it off, that is when I saw the Eagle, BOOM I thought I had just found my first half cent!! (2nd determination) I have seen them posted, but never found one. I didn't know exactly what they look like off hand. So after googling, (before cleaning) so I could see the Eagle on the backs of 1/2 cents, I was surprised to see they don't have an Eagle, but there is a 1837 "token" type that says good for 1/2 cents in copper. After rinsing it off I could see a Seated Lady liberty, WHOA! did I just find my very First Seated Quarter? (3rd determination) It is holed at the date, green like a copper and A BIG PUZZLE to me.

I have only found 2 field Silvers and they're not green! Some of my other (existing home site) Silvers are tarnished a little black, some have rust stains but none are GREEN! This make me wonder if this could have been "Plated" and be a counterfeit? Could my FIRST ever Seated Quarter, not be:icon_scratch:

Please help me ID the Green Seated, Thanks for looking, Bill
 

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Scrappy

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You are metally ill!!!!!!!!

That is awesome. Congrats and wow, what a day buddy!

Happy hunting
 

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Hi Bill......Nice recap of finds & pictures.......the "copper" seated w/eagle on reverse looks like a fake coin for sure.....I have dug a silver looking pot metal fake, but never a copper looking one.....Keep us posted on future finds on these sites & Good Luck......HH everyone!

Bill
 

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Hi Bill......Nice recap of finds & pictures.......the "copper" seated w/eagle on reverse looks like a fake coin for sure.....I have dug a silver looking pot metal fake, but never a copper looking one.....Keep us posted on future finds on these sites & Good Luck......HH everyone!

Bill

I assume it's Copper because of the Green patina and the tell tale blackish surface where the Green is missing. Being a surface find, I have no clue what ID/Range it will ring up. IDEA!! i'm gonna swing my coil over it Duh! Ok so just doing an air scan it's ringing up 11/12 - 46 on the E-trac. that's indicative of Silver, Still CONFUSED.
 

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I assume it's Copper because of the Green patina and the tell tale blackish surface where the Green is missing. Being a surface find, I have no clue what ID/Range it will ring up. IDEA!! i'm gonna swing my coil over it Duh! Ok so just doing an air scan it's ringing up 11/12 - 46 on the E-trac. that's indicative of Silver, Still CONFUSED.

Vino was telling me that coppers usually show up in and around that range on the Etrac/CTX. It sure looks copper to me.
 

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Vino was telling me that coppers usually show up in and around that range on the Etrac/CTX. It sure looks copper to me.

Yea Scrappy they will bounce around some. LCs will usually go 12/45,46. Wheaties and copper memorials usually no higher than 11,12/43,44 sometimes when the ground is saturated the signals tend to be elevated. It's really all in the tone between Silver and Copper sound. I didn't test it with the headphones on. But I'm inclined to agree with you, that it's copper. Now to do a little research about counterfeit Seated Quarters.
 

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That looks exactly like the contemporary counterfeit Seated Quarter I found this past fall in Phila.

Check out this site
Liberty Seated Collectors Club - Homepage

Great hunt, you found some great stuff!
I could post my thread about that coin if you want?
 

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Thanks treblehunter, although it's not my First Silver Seated Quarter, it's my First Counterfeit Coin, woop woop. That's kinda cool and different. I hope the next one I see is SHINEY!!!
 

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Great hunt buddy! What's the diameter of the eagle coin? There was an 1837 copper token about the size of a large cent. The eagle looks identical.
 

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Sorry bro I see you already knew this. Getting late :tongue3:
 

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Thanks Abe, I can def. see enough detail to see a Seated lady Liberty on the obverse. It is what it is, not a 1/2 center, not a Silver Legit Seated, not even the 1837 token. I do believe it is a counterfeit, which is cool enough I've never found a counterfeit. It is nearly an exact fit to a modern quarter, thickness and diameter (sorry no calipers) I used a little tape measure and I think it measured 24 mm. If I know the right increments.
 

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Yup that's a really cool first bud. I've found one counterstamp and haven't yet figured out if the real/cuff link is counterfeit so I will keep searching. Man I wish I could dig here. I've been researching like crazy and I'm going to a lecture this morning on the history of a local town that had settlement in 1649.
Congrats on a first bro. I love seeing people cross stuff off the list. It gets harder and harder but the challenge is awesome
 

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Yup that's a really cool first bud. I've found one counterstamp and haven't yet figured out if the real/cuff link is counterfeit so I will keep searching. Man I wish I could dig here. I've been researching like crazy and I'm going to a lecture this morning on the history of a local town that had settlement in 1649.
Congrats on a first bro. I love seeing people cross stuff off the list. It gets harder and harder but the challenge is awesome

What you are doing now will pay dividends when you can hunt Abe. It's kinda like doing major work on the Harley, we don't do it during riding season that's what winter is for! We have had 4-5 days just hovering in the mid 30s but below freezing overnight. I was actually shocked yesterday at how "thawed" the ground was, no problems digging. I'm guessing the water/rain has seeped farther down allowing the first 6-8 inches to be easily turned! Yea it's not a pretty, shiny Seated Quarter but it is unique and I'm really diggin it! Thanks buddy have a great day.
 

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really awesome finds, finding a counterfeit is super cool, they are part of history too. it always amazes me at what people do to get out of work or to just rip people off. I am amazed at what mankind was able to build or make back then with the tools that they had to work with... hence, master craftsmen.
 

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