A Dandy, an Elephant, a Teacup, some Iron and Brass

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I got out last week after work a couple evenings and turned up some interesting relics as well as a KG and 1861 fatty IHP. Some interesting iron turned up as well and it just came out of the electrolysis tank today.

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This is the tail piece to a early musket trigger guard. I searched all over for the rest of it with no luck.

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This find made the hunt for me. It was a deep, faint signal and when I picked it up, I knew just what it was. This is a toy pewter teacup for a young girl. The handle is missing, but otherwise its in great condition.

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Here is the new teacup with another teacup, a bowl and plates that I've found at other sites. These were the iPhone's of their day :laughing7:

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This is one of my favorite dandy buttons and its a big one too. It has a tombac patina to it, but it looks brass where its flaking away. So I'm not really sure what this one if made of.

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I did a field wipe on this one and couldn't believe I was seeing a guy laying on top of an elephant. :icon_scratch: The backmark is "WADHAMS & CO. SUPERFINE" While google searching it, I came across an identical button posted on here http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/172844-elephant-button.html A big thank you to Cru (7 years ago) for all the info he posted on that thread. It appears to be circa 1847 or so.

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These were my 5th pair of complete scissors from early sites throughout the years. I have quite the collection of these things now and they never get old finding them. I'd imagine these were as important as the thimbles that we find all the time.

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Front and back.

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I believe this is a KG with a right facing bust... III maybe. There is some interesting design on the back, but this thing was worn pretty smooth when it was lost. I think I used up all my "copper karma" with the 1833LC in my last post. But a coppers, a copper and I'm always pleased to dig them.

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A couple months ago I dug my first button with thread still on it. I have dug 100's or even upwards of a 1000 buttons and I finally found one with thread.... well, I forgot to mention, but I had another one in my last post. And here is my 3rd. Funny how that happens where you can't find something and then you get a flood of them.

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This hing pin is one of my favorites. I find these pretty frequently, but this is the first that the blacksmith put notches in. This was almost certainly made for masonry, so it could be set in mortar and the notches locked it in.

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Thanks for looking and happy hunting everyone. :icon_thumright:
 

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Thanks a ton! And thank you for that contextual bit of info... very interesting. I just assumed they were for masonry... however I am sure they drilled pilot holes in the beams for these and those notches probably helped them lock into place. I have a clinched hinge pin somewhere that I cant find, however these notches would probably be just as efficient.

After reading your reply, you prompted me to grab a few of my pins from various displays... and in doing so, I noticed something on the far right (huge, broken) pin... the same notches. I guess I didn't notice it because I'm missing half of that pin.

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Here's an example of what I was referring to. Bad photo as the beam is laying on its side.

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Super killer hunt... Looks like your on a "giving" spot.

Well done.
 

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I got out last week after work a couple evenings and turned up some interesting relics as well as a KG and 1861 fatty IHP. Some interesting iron turned up as well and it just came out of the electrolysis tank today.

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This is the tail piece to a early musket trigger guard. I searched all over for the rest of it with no luck.

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This find made the hunt for me. It was a deep, faint signal and when I picked it up, I knew just what it was. This is a toy pewter teacup for a young girl. The handle is missing, but otherwise its in great condition.

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Here is the new teacup with another teacup, a bowl and plates that I've found at other sites. These were the iPhone's of their day :laughing7:

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This is one of my favorite dandy buttons and its a big one too. It has a tombac patina to it, but it looks brass where its flaking away. So I'm not really sure what this one if made of.

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I did a field wipe on this one and couldn't believe I was seeing a guy laying on top of an elephant. :icon_scratch: The backmark is "WADHAMS & CO. SUPERFINE" While google searching it, I came across an identical button posted on here http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/172844-elephant-button.html A big thank you to Cru (7 years ago) for all the info he posted on that thread. It appears to be circa 1847 or so.

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These were my 5th pair of complete scissors from early sites throughout the years. I have quite the collection of these things now and they never get old finding them. I'd imagine these were as important as the thimbles that we find all the time.

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Front and back.

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I believe this is a KG with a right facing bust... III maybe. There is some interesting design on the back, but this thing was worn pretty smooth when it was lost. I think I used up all my "copper karma" with the 1833LC in my last post. But a coppers, a copper and I'm always pleased to dig them.

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A couple months ago I dug my first button with thread still on it. I have dug 100's or even upwards of a 1000 buttons and I finally found one with thread.... well, I forgot to mention, but I had another one in my last post. And here is my 3rd. Funny how that happens where you can't find something and then you get a flood of them.

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This hing pin is one of my favorites. I find these pretty frequently, but this is the first that the blacksmith put notches in. This was almost certainly made for masonry, so it could be set in mortar and the notches locked it in.

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Thanks for looking and happy hunting everyone. :icon_thumright:
That hinge is cool! I found one similar awhile back and thought it was one of a kind. Must have been a common practice. Mine only has the notches on two of the four edges. Thanks for sharing.
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Those are some amazing finds!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: One thing that I noticed was was that you found 2 drawer pulls and also a key hole escutcheon. (plate of brass that goes around a keyhole) These are of Batwing style, probably off a piece of furniture from the Queen Anne period (1760s) They could be off of the same piece of furniture. These are not a common find because most people could not afford a piece of furniture with fancy brass decorations. By the 1790's an oval back plate was used instead of a batwing style. Great pieces of colonial History!
 

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Great finds! I love your explanation of all the items. Very interesting
 

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Thank you all for the comments! A lot of you seem to really like the elephant button :headbang: I thought it was very interesting and I'll have to try and find out more about it. The one post I linked to the same button has some good into... but now I wonder if it was a sportsman button, or a political button, or something else. Thank you all again for the comments.
 

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Here's an example of what I was referring to. Bad photo as the beam is laying on its side.

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That's awesome to see it insitu like that. Strap hinges and hing pins are some of my favorites.

That hinge is cool! I found one similar awhile back and thought it was one of a kind. Must have been a common practice. Mine only has the notches on two of the four edges. Thanks for sharing.
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Another great bit of into Relic Nut :occasion14: So it appears it was a more common practice than any of us thought. The direction of the notches would allow it to be hammered in, but not be pulled back out. Since they were building with trees they chopped, hewed and seasoned in the air, I bet there was a fair amount of shrinkage and expansion throughout the seasons. I'd imagine a loose door was a frustrating thing to put up with.

I really like seeing so many people appreciating and preserving stuff like these hinge pins. Awesome job guys :occasion14:
 

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Awesome hunt! Great post and great restorations. Lots of history there for sure!! Love the designs on that dandy. Congrats
 

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Hey bud, guess I'm late to the party. I was just scratching my head wondering if you'd posted these finds after receiving pics...

The hinge pin is awesome. For me, anything that shows hand strikes (or working) on something really old is the best. Also great tail piece so GFY!

And those scissors are incredible. I have an almost complete one from "Bud's Place" but the top of both loops are gone.

Cheers and I'm stoked to see you on the old goodies buddy.
 

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The Notches in that hinge pin are definitely made to hold it into something for sure it may also have been pounded into wood

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