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    Reconstructed 160 year old crock $$$ SOLD! $$$ UPDATED Dec. '08

    Hello All,

    I usually don't worry about broken stoneware or glass. To me, unless it's whole, it merely indicates that I'm close to the right spot for the real detecting to begin.

    Last week when I was out with Rodeo and Bonzaibrandi, we found a few trash pits in the woods. There were some marked stoneware crocks there--all broken. Rodeo got a nice pottery spittoon too--most of it was whole. Anyhow, I collected all of the pieces to a few of these (they weigh a TON!), and decided I would cart the pieces home to try and reconstruct them for fun. After some research, and asking help from a few glass/pottery gurus, I began the reconstruction. This one was my first--and I believe it turned out quite well.

    The crock is marked "J.H. Miller" "Brandenburg, KY"

    This is a pretty rare stoneware storage jug made by James Miller, originally a potter in Strasburg, in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. He was born in 1814 and moved to Harrison County, Indiana in about 1837, after potting in Strasburg from about 1833-37. After moving to Indiana, he established his pottery just across the Ohio River in Brandenburg, Kentucky, where he operated from c1840-1884.

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    It's pretty fun to put all of the puzzle pieces together--and it is a very slow process to give the glue time to cure overnight after each piece. I also had to assemble it in advance without the glue, and make certain that I wasn't painting myself into a corner on being able to fit the last piece in. Then plan which piece to attach when in sequence so that they all fit.

    I have a few more that I'll post in the future once they are glued together. One is a large butter churn, and it'll take Quite a while.

    I wanted to post this in "Today's Finds" rather than "Bottles and Glass" so that it would be seen. I'm actually pretty proud of the way it turned out. If this topic is in danger of getting moved, I can also post a photo of a suspender clip, harmonica reeds, and a few other bits we found that day. :P

    Treasure takes many forms.


    Regards,


    Buckleboy

    UPDATE #1: I wrote to the auction house to inquire about the value of my reconstructed crock, and received this e-mail in reply:

    Thank you for your e-mail. Your Miller crock is a very nice piece
    except for its condition. We would still expect it to bring in the $500 to
    $800 range. If you would like to consign it, please let us know and we would
    be happy to include it in our November auction.

    Best Regards,
    Tony Zipp


    That two dollar bottle of Elmer's Glue was well worth it. As was hauling all of the heavy pieces out through the woods. I'm still pretty amazed that this value is what it is--and can only think of what it'd be worth if unbroken...

    Worth MUCH more than any coin I've ever found.
    (I'm hooked on glass and stoneware now. )



    UPDATE #2: The crock sold for an amount within the price range indicated above. So I reinvested a bit of it back in the hobby with a 12 x 10 searchcoil for the uMax.
    I know that there were some folks that didn't feel that a "broken crock" belonged on the banner--but I was quite happy as I drove by the bank today.


    Best Wishes and Happy Hunting,


    Buckles



    2014 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    1792 French 2 Sol Copper
    181? Cut Quarter of an 8 Reales
    1826 Two Reales
    1827 Peruvian Republic 1 Real
    1815 Ferdinand 1 Real
    1829 Cap and Rays 1 Real
    1814 and one Dateless Half Real
    1872 Seated Half Dollar
    1876-S Seated Quarter
    Six Seated Half Dimes: Two 1840-O Half Dimes, 1842-O, 1848-O, 1857 and one dateless half dime
    1876-CC, Two 1876-S, Two 1887 and an 1888 Seated Dimes
    U.S.S. New Orleans Silver Pendant (1890s)
    Large New Orleans Hallmarked Silver Spoon and a monogrammed antebellum coin silver spoon
    185? Large Cent
    c.1830-40s Belgian .50 cal brass pistol barrel and frame
    Confederate Pelican Civil War Button
    1840s Convex Eagle Militia Button
    CW Eagle "I" Button
    CW Era "snake" Sword Hanger
    Blacksmith-Forged Picket Pin
    1941 Walking Liberty Half Dollar
    1896 Barber Quarter
    1943, 1954, and 1963-D Quarters
    1902-O Barber Dime
    1945 and 1945-S Mercury Dimes
    1864-L Indian Head Cent
    186?, 1866, and a Dateless Shield Nickel
    Assorted Civil War Bullets and Musketballs
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    Re: Reconstructed 100 year old crock

    That's a great find! . . . and to get all of it put back together again, even better!

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    Re: Reconstructed 100 year old crock

    Really nice job. Beautiful Cobalt markings there. That was well worth the effort.
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    Re: Reconstructed 100 year old crock

    James Miller pieces are very collectable and demand high prices among collectors. Probably and 1850s piece ? You have done a remarkable job and a good deed in saving a piece of American pottery. Please save all you can and yes it would still fetch a savory sum of money as is Should be banner worthy
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    Re: Reconstructed 100 year old crock

    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaDigs
    James Miller pieces are very collectable and demand high prices among collectors. Probably and 1850s piece ? You have done a remarkable job and a good deed in saving a piece of American pottery.  Please save all you can  and yes it would still fetch a savory sum of money as is  Should be banner worthy 
    I'm amazed that even in its reconstructed condition it could demand a good price.     I would imagine that the piece is roughly CW era, or a little later.  Any ideas on the jug's value?

    Thank you SO much for your comments.


    -Buckleboy


    UPDATE:  You're right CDigs!  I just saw this at the website for Crocker Farm Stoneware Auction House:

    Exhaustive research conducted by us on James Miller, potter of Alexandria, Virginia, took the surviving examples of his work out of obscurity, increasing the value of these vessels by thousands and thousands of dollars. These are just a few of the important contributions we have made to the field of American utilitarian ceramics. Articles published by us include:

    "James Miller: Lost Potter of Alexandria, Virginia"
    by Brandt Zipp and Mark Zipp, Available in Ceramics in America 2004



    And there is a photograph of a very plain crock on their website--slightly larger than mine--bearing only the number "3" and Miller's name in cobalt, followed by this description:

    Without our research, this stoneware jar signed "J. MILLER / ALEX." would have brought a few hundred dollars at auction. We identified it as the work of obscure Alexandria, Virginia, potter James Miller. It realized $9,075 in our July 2004 sale.

    http://www.crockerfarm.com/contact.html

    The one at the link above is an earlier piece done while Miller was still in Alexandria, but there is another piece of Miller's on that website--done in Brandenburg KY for a store in New Albany that fetched several thousand dollars as well.


    I'm pretty speechless.  And I'm all ears to to any ideas about the value of the crock.  It is complete, yet reconstructed, with one small chip missing in the rim on the side (about a two-inch long chip in the glaze).
    2014 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    1792 French 2 Sol Copper
    181? Cut Quarter of an 8 Reales
    1826 Two Reales
    1827 Peruvian Republic 1 Real
    1815 Ferdinand 1 Real
    1829 Cap and Rays 1 Real
    1814 and one Dateless Half Real
    1872 Seated Half Dollar
    1876-S Seated Quarter
    Six Seated Half Dimes: Two 1840-O Half Dimes, 1842-O, 1848-O, 1857 and one dateless half dime
    1876-CC, Two 1876-S, Two 1887 and an 1888 Seated Dimes
    U.S.S. New Orleans Silver Pendant (1890s)
    Large New Orleans Hallmarked Silver Spoon and a monogrammed antebellum coin silver spoon
    185? Large Cent
    c.1830-40s Belgian .50 cal brass pistol barrel and frame
    Confederate Pelican Civil War Button
    1840s Convex Eagle Militia Button
    CW Eagle "I" Button
    CW Era "snake" Sword Hanger
    Blacksmith-Forged Picket Pin
    1941 Walking Liberty Half Dollar
    1896 Barber Quarter
    1943, 1954, and 1963-D Quarters
    1902-O Barber Dime
    1945 and 1945-S Mercury Dimes
    1864-L Indian Head Cent
    186?, 1866, and a Dateless Shield Nickel
    Assorted Civil War Bullets and Musketballs
    Plantation Tokens
    Indian Head Cents, Wheats, Buffaloes, and GawGag
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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    Will,
    Absolutely amazing! That is such a cool piece. You must have a LOT of patience.
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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    Here is a better shot of the front of the crock (is this a better BANNER photo? 8) ):

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    And a photo of the missing chip in the rim:

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    2014 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    1792 French 2 Sol Copper
    181? Cut Quarter of an 8 Reales
    1826 Two Reales
    1827 Peruvian Republic 1 Real
    1815 Ferdinand 1 Real
    1829 Cap and Rays 1 Real
    1814 and one Dateless Half Real
    1872 Seated Half Dollar
    1876-S Seated Quarter
    Six Seated Half Dimes: Two 1840-O Half Dimes, 1842-O, 1848-O, 1857 and one dateless half dime
    1876-CC, Two 1876-S, Two 1887 and an 1888 Seated Dimes
    U.S.S. New Orleans Silver Pendant (1890s)
    Large New Orleans Hallmarked Silver Spoon and a monogrammed antebellum coin silver spoon
    185? Large Cent
    c.1830-40s Belgian .50 cal brass pistol barrel and frame
    Confederate Pelican Civil War Button
    1840s Convex Eagle Militia Button
    CW Eagle "I" Button
    CW Era "snake" Sword Hanger
    Blacksmith-Forged Picket Pin
    1941 Walking Liberty Half Dollar
    1896 Barber Quarter
    1943, 1954, and 1963-D Quarters
    1902-O Barber Dime
    1945 and 1945-S Mercury Dimes
    1864-L Indian Head Cent
    186?, 1866, and a Dateless Shield Nickel
    Assorted Civil War Bullets and Musketballs
    Plantation Tokens
    Indian Head Cents, Wheats, Buffaloes, and GawGag
    OUR 2013 YEAR-END POST: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/to...-end-post.html
    OUR 2012 YEAR END POST:
    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/20...ml#post3120940

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds signatures were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    I can see how you can paint yourself into a corner BB on something like that,it take's a little thought before you dedicate yourself!Nice Job

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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    That is a beautiful piece and a very good thing you did to save it. Very nice!!!!!

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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    BB just came back in to the house after posting >>> I just read your new post Yes I knew that the piece with just his name and location was very collectible. Here you have constructed what appears to look to me > not in bad shape !! I know from my little experience with pottery that collectors will pay high prices for items such as yours and have them restored. I am delighted with your good news > as I quoted before > this rare find is banner worthy. Don't let this go cheap BB if you choose to sell. You my dear Treasure Hunter have found a real treasure. Blessings and restore some more
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaDigs
    BB just came back in to the house after posting >>> I just read your new post   Yes I  knew that the piece with just his name and location was very collectible. Here you have constructed what appears to look to me > not in bad shape !!  I know from my little experience with pottery   that collectors will pay high prices for items such as yours and have them restored. I am delighted with your good news > as I quoted before > this rare find is banner worthy. Don't let this go cheap BB   if you choose to sell. You my dear Treasure Hunter have found a real treasure. Blessings and restore some more  
    Thanks again, CDigs!  I may contact the auction site at the link in my reply above and see if they'll answer a few questions I have.


    Regards,


    Buckles
    2014 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    1792 French 2 Sol Copper
    181? Cut Quarter of an 8 Reales
    1826 Two Reales
    1827 Peruvian Republic 1 Real
    1815 Ferdinand 1 Real
    1829 Cap and Rays 1 Real
    1814 and one Dateless Half Real
    1872 Seated Half Dollar
    1876-S Seated Quarter
    Six Seated Half Dimes: Two 1840-O Half Dimes, 1842-O, 1848-O, 1857 and one dateless half dime
    1876-CC, Two 1876-S, Two 1887 and an 1888 Seated Dimes
    U.S.S. New Orleans Silver Pendant (1890s)
    Large New Orleans Hallmarked Silver Spoon and a monogrammed antebellum coin silver spoon
    185? Large Cent
    c.1830-40s Belgian .50 cal brass pistol barrel and frame
    Confederate Pelican Civil War Button
    1840s Convex Eagle Militia Button
    CW Eagle "I" Button
    CW Era "snake" Sword Hanger
    Blacksmith-Forged Picket Pin
    1941 Walking Liberty Half Dollar
    1896 Barber Quarter
    1943, 1954, and 1963-D Quarters
    1902-O Barber Dime
    1945 and 1945-S Mercury Dimes
    1864-L Indian Head Cent
    186?, 1866, and a Dateless Shield Nickel
    Assorted Civil War Bullets and Musketballs
    Plantation Tokens
    Indian Head Cents, Wheats, Buffaloes, and GawGag
    OUR 2013 YEAR-END POST: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/to...-end-post.html
    OUR 2012 YEAR END POST:
    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/20...ml#post3120940

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds signatures were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    BB,
    That is nice,in all my years of bottle digging I have only dug one intact blue glazed crock!
    Hats off to you for your patience and persistence!

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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    Yes BB that is a very good idea. They can give you the best idea of it's value. It is valuable so do not act fast or hasty. I am so very happy for you
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaDigs
    BB just came back in to the house after posting >>> I just read your new post Yes I knew that the piece with just his name and location was very collectible. Here you have constructed what appears to look to me > not in bad shape !! I know from my little experience with pottery that collectors will pay high prices for items such as yours and have them restored. I am delighted with your good news > as I quoted before > this rare find is banner worthy. Don't let this go cheap BB if you choose to sell. You my dear Treasure Hunter have found a real treasure. Blessings and restore some more
    Thanks again, CDigs! I may contact the auction site at the link in my reply above and see if they'll answer a few questions I have.


    Regards,


    Buckles
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaDigs
    Yes BB that is a very good idea. They can give you the best idea of it's value. It is valuable so do not act fast or hasty. I am so very happy for you
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaDigs
    BB just came back in to the house after posting >>> I just read your new post Yes I knew that the piece with just his name and location was very collectible. Here you have constructed what appears to look to me > not in bad shape !! I know from my little experience with pottery that collectors will pay high prices for items such as yours and have them restored. I am delighted with your good news > as I quoted before > this rare find is banner worthy. Don't let this go cheap BB if you choose to sell. You my dear Treasure Hunter have found a real treasure. Blessings and restore some more
    Thanks again, CDigs! I may contact the auction site at the link in my reply above and see if they'll answer a few questions I have.


    Regards,


    Buckles
    I just sent them an e-mail with attached photos of the piece, and a description of the reconstruction process. We'll see how it turns out. I'm quite happy that all the pieces were there in the first place. That Seldom happens.

    -Buckles
    2014 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    1792 French 2 Sol Copper
    181? Cut Quarter of an 8 Reales
    1826 Two Reales
    1827 Peruvian Republic 1 Real
    1815 Ferdinand 1 Real
    1829 Cap and Rays 1 Real
    1814 and one Dateless Half Real
    1872 Seated Half Dollar
    1876-S Seated Quarter
    Six Seated Half Dimes: Two 1840-O Half Dimes, 1842-O, 1848-O, 1857 and one dateless half dime
    1876-CC, Two 1876-S, Two 1887 and an 1888 Seated Dimes
    U.S.S. New Orleans Silver Pendant (1890s)
    Large New Orleans Hallmarked Silver Spoon and a monogrammed antebellum coin silver spoon
    185? Large Cent
    c.1830-40s Belgian .50 cal brass pistol barrel and frame
    Confederate Pelican Civil War Button
    1840s Convex Eagle Militia Button
    CW Eagle "I" Button
    CW Era "snake" Sword Hanger
    Blacksmith-Forged Picket Pin
    1941 Walking Liberty Half Dollar
    1896 Barber Quarter
    1943, 1954, and 1963-D Quarters
    1902-O Barber Dime
    1945 and 1945-S Mercury Dimes
    1864-L Indian Head Cent
    186?, 1866, and a Dateless Shield Nickel
    Assorted Civil War Bullets and Musketballs
    Plantation Tokens
    Indian Head Cents, Wheats, Buffaloes, and GawGag
    OUR 2013 YEAR-END POST: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/to...-end-post.html
    OUR 2012 YEAR END POST:
    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/20...ml#post3120940

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds signatures were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

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    Re: Reconstructed 120-160 year old crock

    Buck, well, if it ain't a "Today's Finds" artifact-like post, it should be moved to the appropriate location. I am just kidding, Buck.

    You did a great job of preserving the historical crockpot.

    Kyle a.k.a. Lemony Snicket
    Those early PA settlers did too much and that is why coppas are found in abundance!

    The Three Datectateers will miles to find the Colonial "stuff"!

    KirkKyleChris (KKC) and to those long-forgotten, coppa-dropping settlers!

 

 
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