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  1. #31
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    I like how the national park system claims about preserving the history, as an indian artifact collector at one time, I know whats in those fields being smashed by the farming machinery, bunch of bull if you ask me.

  2. #32
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    thanks for the new info,I do have one correction that is small, monroe county historical society is in stroudsburg and so is the library..ESU is in east stroudsburg just want everyone to go to the right place.. as the story goes from what I have found out was the box was carried up the banks above the tracks along the river and hidden,for 3 days the R.R. company paid many to search for the box with no results how true this story is,your guess is as good as mine,I can not find a date to confirm that this did happen or any papers or news print my though on this is if it did happen is why where there only 2 people on the train with a box with that kind of value and since one of them died walking in to the company camp what happened to the other guy? 30,000 in gold coins has to weigh alot let alone what a copper box must weigh + how far could 2 guys possible carry it especially up hill!!! I have walked alot along the river on both sides, so many loose rocks very hard to keep your balance with out carrying anything...mike

  3. #33
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    Noone in their right mind is going to say they found it anyway---so you never know where it is.

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  4. #34
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    This story has got to be one of the most peculiar I have ever heard of.
    First of all the man seems to be in perfect health one minute then
    he paddles up stream 100 yards with the gold and all of a sudden
    becomes deathly ill and dies?
    Don't you wonder what could have possibly happened to him?

  5. #35
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    Didnt the assistant paymaster go alone with the box of gold? If he only paddled up the river a hundred yards, why not go back and let the other guy try it? He didnt feel well enough to paddle, but was well enough to haul the box up the steep bank. Seems that if he did hid the box, he would have just hid it near the bank, and covered it with rocks or brush, since it was only a temporary hidding place.
    Not saying something happend here, but maybe the facts are not quite accurate, including the amount of gold.

  6. #36
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    I didn't read the previous article, it seems the man had a pre existing heart problem and carrying the 100lbs of gold was too much for him. I agree with you he couldn't have carried it far and more than likely a shallow hide. I think he was actually traveling downstream since he was coming from NJ and the tracks are on the PA side. It is believed that the cliff he referring to is a rocky grade with trees, but an account has him coming up the bank then crossing the tracks and then hiding it nearby.

  7. #37
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    That is just it. It sounds fishy.
    So he probably was murdered and/or he and his partner were trying to steal the gold.

    Would be interesting if you could find their trail on land and see if any loose coins were dropped--to heck with the chest.
    Everyone and their Uncle would have been looking for that thing.
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  8. #38
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    It is kind of a strange story. First off I think the canoe could have easily handled
    two people and 100lbs of gold.
    There seem to be a lot of conflicting information in this story too about where he was and where he
    was going? He said that he was 'paddling upstream' so that seems to locate the train on the south
    side of the Gap on the PA side heading North.
    I'm assuming the camp is somewhere near the Gap? The story says the tracks were washed out
    and that he only had a few miles more to go?
    If he was at the lower end of the gap, a few miles puts him just before the bridge.
    Then he says that he beached the canoe on the right hand bank of the river, which is the NJ side right?
    But the story initially says the left bank? Which is it?
    It seems as though he couldn't reach his intended point of two miles due to his feeling faint so he
    beached the canoe somewhere before the bridge.
    The Delaware River is calm in some areas but I'm not sure what the current is like near the Gap?
    Being that there was a storm there probably was some higher than usual currents?
    Perhaps he made it to a point around the bend where he could just see the bridge a mile away then
    decided to beach the canoe?
    I don't know what a PA RR construction crew would be doing on the NJ side of the River? So I am
    assuming the PA side where the RR tracks are is where he hid the gold.
    He probably followed the tracks to the camp?

  9. #39
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    Lots of conflicting facts, but still could be partly true. Whatever happened to the payroll shortfall, must be some records in the RR archives.

    Trouble is, many of these Stories of lost or stolen payroll just end there, as if no one even cared that the money was missing, just go and get some more! I really doubt that $30,000 was small change in those days, or even today, so there should have been a lot of write ups about it.


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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    $30K in gold is sure not pocket change in 1915.
    I really feel sorry for this guy, he was the assistant paymaster
    and I see him doing everything on his own? He seemed like
    a real good employee in going above and beyond the call of duty,
    and his fate could have been prevented if his boss had an inkling of responsibility
    in charge of the money and over the welfare of his asst.

    Anyway, the guy is exhausted and faint already and then he has to haul
    the money and hide it somewhere. Someone here mentioned that the story
    goes that he hauled it over the other side of the tracks and buried it.
    The only landmark unfortunately is a cliff, but I think he was smart enough
    to bury it near a tree or big rock possibly?


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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    Quote Originally Posted by kudo623
    $30K in gold is sure not pocket change in 1915.
    I really feel sorry for this guy, he was the assistant paymaster
    and I see him doing everything on his own? He seemed like
    a real good employee in going above and beyond the call of duty,
    and his fate could have been prevented if his boss had an inkling of responsibility
    in charge of the money and over the welfare of his asst.

    Anyway, the guy is exhausted and faint already and then he has to haul
    the money and hide it somewhere. Someone here mentioned that the story
    goes that he hauled it over the other side of the tracks and buried it.
    The only landmark unfortunately is a cliff, but I think he was smart enough
    to bury it near a tree or big rock possibly?

    Figure out what $30.000 dollars worth of Gold coins
    today, Would have cost you in general Gold coins
    in 1915 & That is probably what he was Carrying.

    Probably all in a Small payroll Coin Box

    My guess the first person to Come accross this story,
    & Publish it, used the Value the day he researched it.

    Of course Value has increased since then even,
    But so does Exageration.

    But still would love to find it

  12. #42
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    I figured they were all $20 gold pieces
    so 30,000/20 = 1500 1oz coins or
    1500/16 = 93.75 pounds
    plus the copper strong box.
    But to set the stage, here are a bunch of
    burly RR workers waiting for their pay and
    all they get is the asst. paymaster with no gold.
    They may have been a little upset by such a cocammamie
    story as the one he gave them? a man traveling by canoe?
    But on the other side of the coin, here's a guy in need of immediate hospitalization
    and it sounds like he dies in the camp? Why?
    If it were today, there would be a full scale
    investigation and lawsuits by the surviving family.
    Lets note that the exact location
    was never given by him and why?
    It my have been that they disregarded his hard and dedicated work
    and were more interested in the gold than getting him help?
    This in part is probably why it has been lost to this day?

  13. #43
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    well that would mean about 300 workers
    being paid $100.00 ?

    of course alot depends on was it a weeks pay, months pay or ?
    When I Got my first job in 1973 take home was about $120
    a week

    I Still find a workforce that high
    in the turn of the century hard to believe

    I'm still guessing the box weighed under 50 lbs.

    but

  14. #44
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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    Yeah that does sound like a lot?
    But it seemed as though they were in a big hurry to get that
    to them, in light of the fact that the rail system operations
    more than likely had been somewhat suspended due to the hurricane floods?
    The payroll may have been for the clearing/repairing/replacing track--it
    was more than likely a big project.
    Hurricane Diane in 1955 washed out track and caused a suspension in operations
    of the Deleware Lackawanna and Western (DL&W) Railroad for one month.
    They could not recover and it lead to their downfall and subsequent merger with
    their Rival Erie RR.

    Also, PA RR dubbed itself the Standard Railroad of the world, touting a bigger budget than
    the US government and employing over 250,000 workers. I'm sure they didn't want any bad press.

    It seemed like an emergency shipment of funds, due to the nature of risk involved.

    After reviewing rail line maps, the PA RR didn't even own or operate on the PA side of the Gap.
    This was run by the DL&W RR. The PA RR only went as far North as Manunka Chunk in NJ.
    Something doesn't make sense here?



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    Re: $30,000.00 Gold Payroll in DELAWARE WATER GAP

    OK so I found an old NJ map from 1903 which shows the NY Susquehanna and Western Railroad on the New Jersey side of the Gap where Rte 80 now is. I was at the gap yesterday and the river was up to the banks big time. I saw the cliff in question and there's really nothing but rock below, and large rocks at that which I80 abuts to. There are no remains whatsoever of the old railway at all and the landscape has undoubtedly changed in a major way after I80. Unless this gold was buried outside the I80 then in my opinion it is buried for good. Also to note that the PA RR had no tracks on either side of the River (the PA side served by Lackawanna RR) and I could come up with no info at all about the PA RR operating near the gap? I read that the Railroads back then were involved with not only transporting coal but involved in the actual mining as well. Does anyone here have any info regarding what business the PA RR had at teh gap? Thanks.
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