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    The facts behind the factoids

    How Old Is That?

    Just for information purposes re weathering of wooden artifacts. This 4x4 wooden post was erected on a mining claim in 1912 in the New Mexico mountains at 7,250' elevation. As you can see, the post is still intact - and the carvings on it somewhat decipherable - after 106 years of snow, rain and hot dry summers. The bottom of the post in contact with the ground was rotted. Might help you try to ID stuff you find.

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    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as itís profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater." Frank Zappa

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    Just for information purposes re weathering of wooden artifacts. This 4x4 wooden post was erected on a mining claim in 1912 in the New Mexico mountains at 7,250' elevation. As you can see, the post is still intact - and the carvings on it somewhat decipherable - after 106 years of snow, rain and hot dry summers. The bottom of the post in contact with the ground was rotted. Might help you try to ID stuff you find.

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    Thanks for posting that sdcfia, It held up well. The one marker of stone you posted, when you and your buddy where doing some volunteer work,with the 1912 carved in it was really amazing to me. If you hadn't said it was done in 1912, I would have never thought that. It looked like it was done today.
    It really made me think about the age of some of the stones in the field with the patina on the carvings.
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    I'd like to know more about Lichenometry :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichenometry

    I have some specific dated monuments with heavy lichen. And some non specific ones with "shaped" or "manipulated" lichen on them.
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    Here, it was overlooked and written off pretty quik by the masses in the other thread, but the skull image is made primarily with lichen and looks right up the hillside at a mine. Right on the side of the main trail up the canyon, Very easy to see it, stupidly easy in the field and it looked right at it, took me like 2 seconds to see it. Several other markers pointing the mine out by the trail. I posted the actual covered mine in one of Prospector Mikels threads. A bunch of ore laying around in the trench up to it. Not that hard to figure out that it's a mine, all though many are more difficult to find as they will hide the tailings. I just don't get why people would question some of this stuff that is so obvious. Paredolia my ...
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    You need to post a link to the correct post, dude - nobody's going to wade through 498 posts to try to ferret out what you're talking about. Or, you could provide the number and/or the date of the post. Better still, simply repost your photo.

    If there was indeed a "bunch of ore laying around in the trench up to it", the mine certainly doesn't sound like it was "hidden" to me, unless the "hiders" were grossly incompetent. Depending upon what you determined to be "ore", it sounds more likely that the mine may have been simply a prospect trench showing marginal mineralized rock in the bottom, or at best, an abandoned workings of some sort. Hundreds if not thousands of these have been remediated all over the west since the 1970s-80s due to legal liability issues.
    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as itís profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater." Frank Zappa

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog, the treasure hunter View Post
    Thanks for posting that sdcfia, It held up well. The one marker of stone you posted, when you and your buddy where doing some volunteer work,with the 1912 carved in it was really amazing to me. If you hadn't said it was done in 1912, I would have never thought that. It looked like it was done today.
    It really made me think about the age of some of the stones in the field with the patina on the carvings.
    Dating petroglyphs is a controversial subject - one that hasn't come to a method that most or all interested parties agree is at all accurate. The patina theories ("desert varnish") are widely touted, but just as widely discarded as being very unreliable. The cultural context theories try to tie symbols and styles to certain historical ages, but these can easily be forged. Extreme weathering of carved symbols on hard rock leads one to believe great age - and to me is a good tell - but these can be clever forgeries too.

    Some specific types of rock contain microscopic crystals that deteriorate when released to the environment when the stone is chiseled. Scott Wolter, a geologist, used this technique to prove that the Kensington Runestone was not a modern fake, but likely a genuine artifact. Yes, that carved Mineral Survey corner I posted a photo of weeks ago was easy to date, but for the most part, dating rock carvings is a crapshoot.
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    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as itís profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater." Frank Zappa

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    Any overall thoughts, please.
    Must say it's a heck of a hike.

    Please look on the right lower quadrant. (mostly)



    (Personally, I will not dispute any view point)

    A picture's worth 1k words, please enjoy.
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    Its Genghis Khan from Sicily. Attachment 1557726Attachment 1557727with a komodo dragon. Attachment 1557730
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    Quote Originally Posted by dog, the treasure hunter View Post
    Its Genghis Khan from Sicily. Attachment 1557726Attachment 1557727with a komodo dragon. Attachment 1557730
    That would make it (him) just like Vlad Draculea, the son of The Dragon ...


    (https://todayinhistory.blog/tag/son-of-the-dragon/)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    You need to post a link to the correct post, dude - nobody's going to wade through 498 posts to try to ferret out what you're talking about. Or, you could provide the number and/or the date of the post. Better still, simply repost your photo.

    If there was indeed a "bunch of ore laying around in the trench up to it", the mine certainly doesn't sound like it was "hidden" to me, unless the "hiders" were grossly incompetent. Depending upon what you determined to be "ore", it sounds more likely that the mine may have been simply a prospect trench showing marginal mineralized rock in the bottom, or at best, an abandoned workings of some sort. Hundreds if not thousands of these have been remediated all over the west since the 1970s-80s due to legal liability issues.
    Odd, the link works fine for me , it goes right to my post with the skull made with with lichen and moss.

    The mine was actually "hidden", but the canyon burnt out recently , it was choked full of poison ivy, the most I have seen in any canyon. You couldn't find a place to step without touching it. Those trenches like that get filled with 6 foot stalks of the stuff . The stuff is just growing back again. Otherwise I wouldn't be caught dead in that miserable canyon, I got it once before (poison ivy) from there many years ago before I ever treasure hunted and vowed I 'd never go back. But just happened to be driving in the area and checked it out a few months ago. it'll all be over grown with it in a couple years again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick1 View Post
    Any overall thoughts, please.
    Must say it's a heck of a hike.

    Please look on the right lower quadrant. (mostly)





    (Personally, I will not dispute any view point)

    A picture's worth 1k words, please enjoy.
    Mirror that for the cache spot. Lots of good stuff in there. I have seen a lot of that same stuff out my way. I really liked the other photo to that you posted a week or so ago. Lots of goodies in that one to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dog, the treasure hunter View Post
    Mirror that for the cache spot. Lots of good stuff in there. I have seen a lot of that same stuff out my way. I really liked the other photo to that you posted a week or so ago. Lots of goodies in that one to.
    I would need Steve's permission to post more goodies (out of context of age relation). If you saw those, ,,you also saw the "welcome wagon"
    that had me remove them. If any, I could send them (and the story) in email, but would be a missing piece for other TH's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick1 View Post
    Any overall thoughts, please.
    Must say it's a heck of a hike.

    Please look on the right lower quadrant. (mostly)



    (Personally, I will not dispute any view point)

    A picture's worth 1k words, please enjoy.
    See a face & heart just looking through it. Cool picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick1 View Post
    I would need Steve's permission to post more goodies (out of context of age relation). If you saw those, ,,you also saw the "welcome wagon"
    that had me remove them. If any, I could send them (and the story) in email, but would be a missing piece for other TH's
    Thats what happens when you dont follow the rule book. Iam starting to think it might be the Russians, they got there hands in everything over here.Attachment 1557977Just let me know if you want this deleted Maverick1.
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