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    and the contest winner was not you (see first post)

    The History Blog » Blog Archive » Mystery of the Breton inscription still mysterious

    do the winning (partial) translations correspond at all with yours ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillA View Post
    and the contest winner was not you (see first post)

    The History Blog » Blog Archive » Mystery of the Breton inscription still mysterious

    do the winning (partial) translations correspond at all with yours ?
    Their "interpretation" of the text used, albeit one of a partially spelled out series of shortened and altered letters, showed how they improperly deciphered their own languages, differing to a good degree between the two solves they accepted. It shows that they focused merely on the translation of the text and both were not confident on a solid meaning chocking it all off to a man of lesser intelligence.....how fitting for them to do that...

    To me there is clearly a secondary alteration of the stones to hold images of faces and images of a flag, compass, square, and heart with a cross, a sign of their order. It also has a clearly carved key that is made in the stone, meaning that it is a literal key to a sort of cipher.

    To then see that all ignored shows me that their agenda was merely to try to find a literary definition of the words to compile a tale.

    What lay there in the area where other stones carved with images of ships, and marks of navigation added as if it related as a physical map to a location.

    The wording also matched the ciphers of the so called Levasseur Troves but the cipher spoke of physically locating the Ol Levasseur "Clank" which would not be his own words, but someone passing instructions to someone to use it for some purpose, and reading further into the paper/parchment cipher it shows there is nothing that identifies a name of the author, but mentions the O Clever ROCAR (also scribed in the stone there) with the lower half of the cipher holding the same image of the ship that was found on the other stones in the area.

    So seeing this as confirmation of the ciphers holding steganographic design, and tying them together in a path cipher, it matched the stone images and formed a complete map to the locations.

    I could care less if I don't get the money from them flaking on the solve with a basic translation, I took that challenge to solve it because even Ian Fleming saw some importance in that carved inscription, and he himself offered a contest similar to this one to solve the puzzle.

    He was British Intelligence....and obviously THEY TOO KNEW about the ciphers and wondered about the locations of the troves.

    So why would something that was so intriguing and pushed not once but twice in a competition be ignored if the information was so pivotal to their own history.....something I cannot understand

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    Maybe they were offended at what Jefferson had left for them to find..........nothing but a stab at their arrogance
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    Eldo,
    Quite interesting work you have been doing. I am seeing the information but not the way you have connected it all together. I understand if you dont want to explain to me everything. I am interested in connecting the (key)stone at brest with the La Buse Cyrptogram. If I say L'aire, Syam, Rean. Am I on your path?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwat3r View Post
    Eldo,
    Quite interesting work you have been doing. I am seeing the information but not the way you have connected it all together. I understand if you dont want to explain to me everything. I am interested in connecting the (key)stone at brest with the La Buse Cyrptogram. If I say L'aire, Syam, Rean. Am I on your path?
    If anyone is here?

    Does any one know where I can find high res of the Original(original copy) The ones on the internet I found are no good now I need to see the one from the archievs on Mahe.

    Eldo
    I'd love to hear you reasoning for connecting the stone the Cipher. Is there anything that directly relates the two? I dont feel comfortable with the ship halves. The way you pick out 'clue' is obscure, I doubt that word be used in that way. Also I can say the same text could be a referance to the Etiane from the letter, Calliere. I understand the possible resoning and have also found la roc in my squares along with those 3 towns which if you draw a line connecting makes the triangle from the flat 'A's in the chiper. Paris is a better match but it does line up with brest.... ;p
    If the stone is a key to the Cipher is it usable? I can not find a copy of the inscription only poor photographs.

    I have been working with a couple of groups of key words in a kind vigenere fashion.
    there is an annagram of the word 'square' in the second line next to, and sharing charecters with a word very closer to 'Durer'. These two together Could be taken for a clue to use a square in a certain fashion. (No evidence for this thoery. apart from the symbolism and possibly coincidence)

    Also if you take the first word 'Apre' to mean harsh to hear, and the obscure word TIRESKET. Dropping the T's makes 'IRESKE' which is Danish for 'Irish' and danish being a hard language to hear for none speakers due to the unfarmilar vocalisations. This could be a hint to multi language use in the cipher. Also hints that some key words to begin the journey are sat within matching chacters,within Pair's. Unfortunatly I doubt this method will bring me 'plain as day' clear text, more groups of letters that infer a word so this can't be trusted but I have follow afew of the trails and the squares have hinted at boats frozen or stuck in a harbour that are burnt. plunder and troves. Cpt, Jim, Cpt Johnhon, brother Elfoe, Hawken. One interesting dechiperd text was CLPASMS, as in 150 psalms, I think, this is a hint to those that know that chiper is to be read three ways. Also the name demolay. Until I can find a copy of the original document or go and Photo graph it myslef( if I can find it! Any help welcome) I can't continue much further. past to the second wall.



    I do believe the text has been alterd many many times Possibly as the other troves were collected? I think This Chipher is very old, has been re worked several times, may never be sovled due to coruption with out the original.
    it has been cleaned of charcters
    there are 4 maybe 5 chiphers on the page one chiper has certainly been alterd .
    I believe the document was first 'repurposed' in 1426.
    The original document has a signature.

    I do think there are four troves left if you read how the Chipher has been reworked over time you will see there was a total of 36 of which four are still left, maybe 3 now?

    I think if LBT is on mahe and can walk around Im sure he wouldnt need a map I have seen very good locations from air photographs but will likley never step foot on the island. and without the eye stone it could be difficult.........

    1110 11010

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digger RJ View Post
    Eagerly waiting for the conclusion to this story!!! Thanks for updating Us!!!
    likely longer than your lifetime

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillA View Post
    likely longer than your lifetime
    Without a look at the original document I would agree. Certainly my work has a hit a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwat3r View Post
    If anyone is here?

    Does any one know where I can find high res of the Original(original copy) The ones on the internet I found are no good now I need to see the one from the archievs on Mahe.

    Eldo
    I'd love to hear you reasoning for connecting the stone the Cipher. Is there anything that directly relates the two? I dont feel comfortable with the ship halves. The way you pick out 'clue' is obscure, I doubt that word be used in that way. Also I can say the same text could be a referance to the Etiane from the letter, Calliere. I understand the possible resoning and have also found la roc in my squares along with those 3 towns which if you draw a line connecting makes the triangle from the flat 'A's in the chiper. Paris is a better match but it does line up with brest.... ;p
    If the stone is a key to the Cipher is it usable? I can not find a copy of the inscription only poor photographs.

    I have been working with a couple of groups of key words in a kind vigenere fashion.
    there is an annagram of the word 'square' in the second line next to, and sharing charecters with a word very closer to 'Durer'. These two together Could be taken for a clue to use a square in a certain fashion. (No evidence for this thoery. apart from the symbolism and possibly coincidence)

    Also if you take the first word 'Apre' to mean harsh to hear, and the obscure word TIRESKET. Dropping the T's makes 'IRESKE' which is Danish for 'Irish' and danish being a hard language to hear for none speakers due to the unfarmilar vocalisations. This could be a hint to multi language use in the cipher. Also hints that some key words to begin the journey are sat within matching chacters,within Pair's. Unfortunatly I doubt this method will bring me 'plain as day' clear text, more groups of letters that infer a word so this can't be trusted but I have follow afew of the trails and the squares have hinted at boats frozen or stuck in a harbour that are burnt. plunder and troves. Cpt, Jim, Cpt Johnhon, brother Elfoe, Hawken. One interesting dechiperd text was CLPASMS, as in 150 psalms, I think, this is a hint to those that know that chiper is to be read three ways. Also the name demolay. Until I can find a copy of the original document or go and Photo graph it myslef( if I can find it! Any help welcome) I can't continue much further. past to the second wall.



    I do believe the text has been alterd many many times Possibly as the other troves were collected? I think This Chipher is very old, has been re worked several times, may never be sovled due to coruption with out the original.
    it has been cleaned of charcters
    there are 4 maybe 5 chiphers on the page one chiper has certainly been alterd .
    I believe the document was first 'repurposed' in 1426.
    The original document has a signature.

    I do think there are four troves left if you read how the Chipher has been reworked over time you will see there was a total of 36 of which four are still left, maybe 3 now?

    I think if LBT is on mahe and can walk around Im sure he wouldnt need a map I have seen very good locations from air photographs but will likley never step foot on the island. and without the eye stone it could be difficult.........

    1110 11010
    The stone slab with letters has the words at the top line ROCAR..... in the Cipher one of the lines shows the phrase as well....each of the clues to look for has a familiar < > surrounding it as a dual feature, meaning the entire cipher can be read with the masonic pig pen but certain words are set up in these segments that are used to hint at keywords to form a sort of narrative description of the rock itself and the other markings as well

    Take a look at how many of them are found together in France. All of the symbols found in the cipher can be found on the rock in some fashion.

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    If you saw that the cipher was describing the stone along the coast of France (which nobody noticed) you would naturally look there, and it was archived in the French Naval History Museum, but was unbroken except with the Pig Pen so they just labeled it "LeVasseur". The story we all have been shown then immediately moved to Mahe "in pursuit" of his treasures, as there was a man there that had discovered a map on the shores and began an excavation. Using this map someone came along and gig jumped Wilkins and took on the adventure to the mountain cave where they were confronted by the fallacy of the idea that he had stashed it on the island, seeing his name and more carvings on the hill. This was merely a location of mapping stones he had crafted to show where the final resting place was to find his troves.

    The carvings on Mahe depict the maps from the areas in Plougastel Daoulas and Brest as pointers to where the treasure was initially taken...he was merely hiding out there in safety but had already stashed the troves in France, crafting the maps. It was clearly said that after his raid on the Portuguese Ship that they left together but separated with Taylor leaving on his own ship to the coast of Mexico. Levasseur was not seen for 8 or 9 years it was said after that. Plenty of time to bring the troves back to France one by one and buy time during the conflicts.

    My reasoning is that when you get to where Levasseur was stationed he was a known figure there in Brest, so he also knew the region well. Moving to follow his trail on his adventures you find a series of maps carved in stone on one island along the shores that lead you to the cave on the hillside with his signature. Nothing else was said about him, other than the attempt to pin that cipher on him, but why would the cipher be attributed to his penmanship and considered THE same cipher from his execution IF the cipher clearly reads LOC OL LAVCR CLANC?

    These are the two known locations on Mahe of maps that depict the location of his troves. But the funny part is that they really show the region in France around where his old port was located. So he was using this a way to show you where to look IN FRANCE.

    The Mahe markings are "signature" meaning that they are signed by him but they also are cryptic, meaning there is a deception involved to ward off hunters of his trove. The cipher being found is suspect on it's own as that amount of paper in a locket on his necklace was not really possible, and it would have been a smaller piece of paper wrapped inside of it. So to find who made the cipher?

    Look at the rock for the dates....

    The bottom left hand side says 1786.....three years before the French Revolution

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    Then the "Me James" "MEUS MESUN"section by the Masons Compass and Square on the right side...Meus is Arch in Latin.....ME JAMES, ARCH MASON...his signature.

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    This is the signature of the man that made the cipher in the stone, James Currie, a well traveled doctor, and the personal physician of Thomas Jefferson

    They were working simultaneously while planning through their letters to one another. Jefferson went to France to speak to the French Lodges, stirring up the movement and the initial plans for the takeover of France, then wrote to Curry with plans in letters. Then Curry responded in a letter to set up the OK, and then Jefferson returned to the US with Currie traveling to France to carve the stone, leaving instructions for the French Freemasons to start the Revolution with the troves discovered. They must have had the initial cipher then and left this behind in the archives somehow with the instructions clearly labeled on it

    Look how the descending order of the steps in the text on the left are mimicking the path to the stone at Plougastel and then highlight the L' OL ROCLF beneath it....as you find the rock on the waterfront you are faced with the text VVAOVJRAOVOLUN as you see the flag carved there with the map and the other marks that are found on the ciphers. It's old but it's there.

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    I mean honestly,

    What is the first thing you think when you see the phallic carving at the top of the mountain?

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    You were duped and this is one of the signature moves of the Pirate himself in all of his humor.

    The treasure hunters that gig jumped old Wilkins's research to find the maps there became somewhat lost themselves and when they announced this so many years ago they couldn't move to find anything, despite their obvious location holding possible troves, even of small stashes of his personal shares. Their metal detectors would have picked up something, and scans should have been done but they are close lipped and concerned only with their site, despite the obvious signs that these are merely maps of the area of Brest.

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    It was a map set that was split into two parts so that you either had to know from him personally or to have traveled there to inspect these maps to confer their locations when you returned to France...to Reunion with old friends

    He was obviously just doing his job and got caught between countries at war and wanted to leave a message to the English that were after him.

    Can't think of a better way to deceive them into searching for his troves.

    This was also seen in their use of Breton on the French carving to lure them by the Freemasons.

    In the same way that the money pit was crafted to ward off English privateers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwat3r View Post
    Eldo,
    If I say L'aire, Syam, Rean. Am I on your path?
    Not as far as I can tell, but you may find that whatever you can derive from the cipher will lead you to where IT WAS buried

    I say that because out of the gold and silver coins and plate/chain link and the loose jewels spoken about in the cipher, the only thing left that you would find would be the Flaming Cross of Goa.

    Something that is valued in the millions as it is something of greater historical value and it's size being of solid gold was immense, close to a few hundred lbs if it took 3 men to move it.

    The fact this one part of the trove is not mentioned shows that they left that as the reward for following their clues in the cipher. That would be the "secret" behind the trove itself as the Masons would respect that as sacred and leave it untouched.

    It may be that the cross is located somewhere else on Mahe, but I truly think that it is in France still buried.

    I think I can find it with what I have found so far....that is the only thing I am "hiding" from the work I publish, as I hope to one day be able to search for it with a small team.

    I contacted Wilkins and told them all about it so that they can join in on the search on their end just to be sure.

    Would be cool to travel to Mahe one day too just to enjoy the beauty but who knows.
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