Mysterious Tin Coin - part of Templar legacy?

[vastik]

Please go to my website to view this amazing coin. If you can offer any assistance in identifying its origins, I would be most grateful.

www.mysterycoin.com

[Montana Jim]

I don't think it was a coin, but I do think it was glued to something. The roughed up back might have been to help hold an adhesive.

[Montana Jim]

Memory of the 1900 Mission = Andenken an die heilige Mission 1900 (German)

To The Holy -or- The Saint = an die heilige

IHS = Jesus (Latin)

Well, I just read your other site... I guess the translations were already done.

Also contains the Jesuit Seal...




I think it's a token or seal or ? ... not a coin.

[Mackaydon]

I agree; not a coin, but a token or medallion

[Mackaydon]

It might also be made of pewter, not 100% tin; pewter being a common metal for medallions, tokens and replica coins

[vastik]

This coin has been analyzed at a metallurgy lab at the University of Toronto. It is 98% tin. Pewter was not mentioned by the metallurgist.

It is also not glued to anything. It stands alone. Not sure whether it's a coin or a medallion.

Still quite a mystery.

[Woodland Detectors]

I don't think it was a coin, but I do think it was glued to something. The roughed up back might have been to help hold an adhesive.

Exactly

[Montana Jim]

Well... I hope this piece holds the drama in it's history that you hope it does.

[DCMatt]

Well... I hope this piece holds the drama in it's history that you hope it does.

I found a clue! But it costs 9.9 Euros on ebay... Too rich for me...



DCMatt

[johnnyi]

Vastik, if I understood the statement of your expert correctly, he believes this object dates from the 14 or 1500's? I'm by no means any kind of expert on fonts or very early engraving techniques, but to substantiate his opinion, is any one aware of another "coin" (die produced object) dating from the 15th century that would use these perfect fonts, or the larger interior stylazied fonts?

[Mackaydon]

Pewter is a malleable metal alloy, traditionally between 85 and 99 percent tin, with the remainder consisting of copper, antimony, bismuth and lead.
The 'o' after MISSION may be the mint mark or the initial of the engraver.

[Ramitt]

Why does this expert think this coin is 14th or 15th cent.? It sure has a lot of fine detail, but I am no coin expert.

[Silver Searcher]

Nice Coin/Token this looks as though it was made through a milled process, which would explain the clear detail, milled coins first appeared in the UK during the reign of Elizabeth1(1561-70)

The reverse looks as if it might have been deliberetly defaced in some way, which sometimes accurs on early English coins. Nice find and interesting thread

SS

[CRUSADER]

Clearly not a coin & is likely a token/medallion for use by the Mason's or celebrating an event.

Info only:

Also Britain produced Tin coins in the reins of Charles II (1684-85), James II (1684-87), William & Mary (1689-92). But none during 14-1500s.

[Eu_citzen]

Nice Coin/Token this looks as though it was made through a milled process, which would explain the clear detail, milled coins first appeared in the UK during the reign of Elizabeth1(1561-70)

The reverse looks as if it might have been deliberetly defaced in some way, which sometimes accurs on early English coins. Nice find and interesting thread

SS

I agree, looks like it's milled. You can see the "S" on the other side, even if just slightly.

[johnnyi]

Agreed Crusader, and I would add that the back was not defaced. The back shows clearly the reversed image of the front, so there's no reason to deface it. . The explaination for the criss-crossed lines was given by Mountain Jim; this relic was cemented within or onto another object (guess would be a decorative border for a sash mount)

[CRUSADER]

The explaination for the criss-crossed lines was given by Mountain Jim; this relic was cemented within or onto another object (guess would be a decorative border for a sash mount)

Agreed, most likely to hold it to ?

[Silver Searcher]

vastic....are there any signs of a form of adhesive on the Coin/Token

SS

[Mackaydon]

Vastic, you wrote:
"In 2006 a Canadian collectibles dealer bought a substantial number of coins and tokens from a collector as one 'lot'."

Question: Was the Canadian collectible dealer also a coin dealer?

You wrote:
"He showed it to an architect friend who had been privileged to visit the Vatican's archives. The architect suggested that the coin might be historically valuable..."

Question: Is the architect also a coin collector or dealer?

You wrote:
"The dealer then showed the coin to various experts in order to decypher the symbols on its face..."

Question: Were any of these experts asked to ID this object as a coin or token--in addition to being asked to decipher the symbols?

Personally (and I'm not a coin dealer), I believe it is a relatively modern religious pewter token. That said, I hope it turns out to be a valuable coin.

Don..

[johnnyi]

"vastic....are there any signs of a form of adhesive on the Coin/Token"

S.S., if you look very closely I think you can see it yourself. It is a grey material adhering to parts of the back. There is also discoloration existing on the back, but not the front which may be remains of this cement or adhesive. (We don't even know if the dealer who was describing this relic as a "token" might have cleaned the back to remove "unsightly" cement, and missed a few spots)