Buttons, Bullet Casing, Lead Weight?

[jgas]

Found these buttons at a circa 1860-1870 home. Wondering if these are from that period. One says Warrantied Orange, another has Treble something? Another has Rich Colour. The one with the design on the face is cool looking. It has what appears to be a stem with a clover or flower design. It's really hard to see what the backmark says. The bullet casing is from the same place. What would have shot that honker? And finally the weight thing was found there as well. Several inches deep. Looks like a makeshift fishing weight or something. What do you all think? Thanks for the info on these. I found 6 1800's coins in this yard too, if that helps with the dating. Thanks. jgas

[Monty]

Looks like it says 38 70? If that's what it says, it could be the same case as the venerable 45/70 only necked down to .38 caliber. About half or more of the case is missing. I have an old Winchester Repeating Arms cartridge chart but I don't see a 38 70 on it. So? Monty

Ok, I did find a 38 70 Winchester that was introduced in 1894. I was right the first time! Monty

[vayank54]

The buttons are civilian and all early 1800's, not later than 1830 or so. The one with TREBLE is more than likely TREBLE GILT. Even though these are earlier we dig quite a few in civil war camps, both union and confederate, and at later period house sites.
Sorry, can't be of any help on the casing unless it is a 38/70 but don't know a whole lot about them
The lead thing I have no idea unless it is some kind of weight.

[TiredIron]

The Winchester 38-70 WCF cartridge was introduced and available in the Winchester 1886 lever rifle.
Here's all the skinny on it.... http://www.ammo-one.com/38-70WCF.html

TiredIron

[johnnyi]

The lead is a common size net weight (still packed with mud) that's been wired for a fishing sinker.

[Monty]

It is interesting that a single cartridge for the 38-70 runs nearly 15 bucks. With the proper equipment you can reload for that caliber for about 75 cents a round. I have the equipment and would only need the dies! That's why I started reloading 40 years ago. Monty

[TiredIron]

Monty,
When I posted that website I was actually taking to the site owner and he confirmed that 99% of his customers are just Cartridge Collectors. The rifle and cartridge popularity was so poor they fell by the wayside as collectibles. It would be nice to come across a case of NOS that got squirreled away. The 38-56 casings can be milked out of 45/70 casing but the rarer 38-70 requires sacrificing 45/90 casings to produce them. There's too many other cheap things to shoot. What are you still regularly loading and shooting these days? I'm heavy in empty brass if you need any.

TiredIron