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  1. #1
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    Nov 2009
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    Cherokee Rose Button?

    Hello,

    A friend saw this button and thought it might be a Cherokee Rose Button. I had never heard of such, and upon researching it, my button does bear a very strong resemblance to that button. I found the button on the following site. It is the third button from the bottom.

    http://www.relicman.com/buttons/zArc...thCarolina.htm

    The main difference I see in this button and mine are the number of star points. My button has 8 points whereas the Cherokee Rose has 7. There are 2 extra rings of detail on my button vs the one in Mr Ridgeway's collection. Third, my button has both silver and gold plate. And fourth, my button is heavily domed. I cannot tell from his photo if his is the same, more or less raised.

    My button is a heavily domed one piece that I have never seen the likes of before. There does appear to be some writing inside/on the back but I cannot make out any of it.

    I have a photo of my button here for you to examine. I hope that someone out there is knowledgeable on this subject and can weigh in with more information.



    Thank you for your help,
    Still Waters
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    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    I am thinking that this cannot be a Cherokee button because the star has 8 points. The use of a seven-pointed star was to symbolize the 7 clans of the Cherokees.

    My hunch is that the item is a civilian item. Can we see a photo of the back of the button?


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    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    Interesting. The arrangement of the 8 points is all over the place, as though it was naively crafted.
    I look forward to learning more, from listening in on this post

    Mike

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    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    I am thinking that this cannot be a Cherokee button because the star has 8 points. The use of a seven-pointed star was to symbolize the 7 clans of the Cherokees.

    My hunch is that the item is a civilian item. Can we see a photo of the back of the button?


    My thoughts exactly, can we see the back.
    Looks Civvy circa 1800.
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  5. #5
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    Nov 2009
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    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    When two Tnet titans ask, who am I to deny? Here is a photo of the back. Bear in mind that this is a heavily domed button, so it is difficult to take that into consideration from a two dimensional photo.
    Hope this helps,
    Still Waters
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    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    Quote Originally Posted by Still Waters
    When two Tnet titans ask, who am I to deny? Here is a photo of the back. Bear in mind that this is a heavily domed button, so it is difficult to take that into consideration from a two dimensional photo.
    Hope this helps,
    Still Waters
    OK, thanks that helps a little......

    It is somewhat of a puzzeller The design is not unusual for a early 19th Century button, however it does vary from the norm. Usually the tall domed types are made in two pieces, hence that could have been the top piece & a base soldered on it. Yours seems to have a broken shank inside which I haven't seen in such a domed button. Maybe because its not British

    However, I stick with my first thoughts of Civilian circa 1800.
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    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    It looks like it may have a wreath and some letters on the back. If you could clean that better it might be of some help. I have seen buttons domed like that but they were late 1800's and thinner. Can you tell if it definitely had a shank or if it it might have had a shaft instead. If you can't tell and there is no backmark it could be a rosette from an old piece of furniture.

  8. #8
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    Nov 2009
    57

    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    The photo is a little fuzzy, but if you look at the bottom of the back there does appear to be some writing on it. Hard to make out even in the hand. It might just be a ring of details, hard to tell for sure. It does appear to be decorated if nothing else, which leads me to believe there was a shank set inside.
    Still Waters

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    Re: Cherokee Rose Button?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER
    However, I stick with my first thoughts of Civilian circa 1800.
    I agree. I have found several of the high-domed types in areas that date to the early 1800s. They were mixed in with imported British flat buttons, pewter, and tombacs.

    If you can make out the backmark, that my shed more light on things. I have a good thread posted in the "Cleaning and Preservation" section on cleaning buttons. The toothpick method may bring the backmark out a bit more.


    Best Wishes,


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