Broken Triggerguard ID

[steelheadwill]

Hi all!
Found this at a pounded foundation site,
thought first it was from a double barrel shotgun,
then saw that other longguns also had the
curved stop. what remains is about 4" long, and broken at both ends,
in 2nd photo, left broken end appears to have been attached
to weapon with a small brad at the break point.
Hoping someone might match this to a known weapon.
Many Thanks & Happy Holidays !!

[NOLA_Ken]

Can't give you a positive match but it's definitely cool! The guard on my Traditions .50 cal is a similar shape but less ornate.

[Bigcypresshunter]

Kinda like a Kentucky rifle but an unusual design. http://www.airbum.com/NeatShtpix/HainesPart1.html

Anything here? http://www.tennesseevalleymanufactur...trigger_guards

[steelheadwill]

Thanks Ken and BCH !
Can't find any matches, posted this on the off chance it was from a well known
firearm, whatever it came from, the triggers were quite short, there is only 3/4" space between the flat portion that rested on the underside of the gun and the bottom of the guard.
I arrived at this 2 foundation site to find a couple dozen
very recent and unfilled holes, my fellow hunter must have been in a big hurry, it only takes a second to kick the dirt back in
The site has lots of melted metal blobs, and what appears to be an ash layer.
fire loss I imagine

He left behind some small buttons, one of which is my second " G 'Crown' II The Kings " BM starburst button, (anyone heard of or seen these? ),
the top portion to a sons of CW Veterans Medal, showing an original also.
and a rusty small star Trime, 1851-52. I gave this my first electrolysis attempt..
Thanks again! happy holidays everyone

[steelheadwill]

Creskol that piece has an amazingly similar arrow decorative design,
and is right on with BCH's info.
I love old firearm relics,
I think the green check is imminent.
This will be my 5th early and identified Firearm piece
Thanks for looking!

[l.cutler]

There is no way the piece will be positively ID'd. It is from a muzzleloading rifle, late 1700's through mid 1800's. Different makers often used the same premade furniture, or else made there own. Each rifle was hand made individually, not a certain model with interchangeable parts. The rifle pictured by Creskol is a typical late flint era rifle. The American longrifle was made by many different gunmakers, most in southern PA, it sort of evolved from the shorter stockier German hunting rifle often called a "Jaeger".

[l.cutler]

Yes Baker was one of many gunmakers in PA, Taylor just surveyed the land for his mill, had nothing to do with the gunmaking according to your link. I would guess the Brown Bess at the top of the page, [which Baker surely didn't make!] and the late flint longrifle pictured below are just stock photos, not Baker's work. The architecture of the rifle pictured is all 1820, a 1719 gun would not resemble it in the least. The narrow triggerguard, clipped lock plate with cast in engraving typical of a mass produced "hardware store" lock, bridled frizzen, slim lines are all sure signs of a later rifle. A 1719 gun would almost certainly be a fowler, rifles were extremely rare at that early date.

[creskol]

Yes Baker was one of many gunmakers in PA, Taylor just surveyed the land for his mill, had nothing to do with the gunmaking according to your link. I would guess the Brown Bess at the top of the page, [which Baker surely didn't make!] and the late flint longrifle pictured below are just stock photos, not Baker's work. The architecture of the rifle pictured is all 1820, a 1719 gun would not resemble it in the least. The narrow triggerguard, clipped lock plate with cast in engraving typical of a mass produced "hardware store" lock, bridled frizzen, slim lines are all sure signs of a later rifle. A 1719 gun would almost certainly be a fowler, rifles were extremely rare at that early date.

Since your assertion is that my posts were riddled with inaccuracies, I took the liberty of deleting them. Have a good day!

[l.cutler]

Hey, sorry if I came across harsh, didn't mean it. I have been fooling with antique and muzzleloading guns for longer than I care to remember! Some websites are kind of misleading even if unintentionally. I'd like to recomend some sites with good longrifle info. American Historic services, American longrifles, and the Contemporary longrifle association are a few of my favorites.

[steelheadwill]

Thanks Creskol and Mr Hunter,
I appreciate the time spent on my item
Will be saving those links for future reference, I was attempting to find sites like that before I posted this
Happy Hunting and Research to everyone