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Hi All ,
I have three puzzlers. First, the short nose bullet-not the impact one- has a peculiar base that I eludes identification. There is a primary ring then a conical impression thoughts? Next is a bras "B" . Seems too big for a kepi. next is a copper bullet shaped container with what seems a cap that I dare not pry off because when I shake I hear a grainy shake sound. 2 1/2 " long. Rather light to hold.
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TB
Your bullet could be a Tom Greene. We would need to know the measurements to correctly I.D. it. What general area was it found? A lot of them come out of Texas and La. Tennessee digger
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Originally Posted by tennessee digger
Your bullet could be a Tom Greene. We would need to know the measurements to correctly I.D. it. What general area was it found? A lot of them come out of Texas and La. Tennessee digger
I live in rich, rich, richmond va.
I have submitted one more pic to compare sizes. The find is to the left of the 3 ring minie (north w/ star int.) The two smaller are just other finds. I think they are older, but around here, you never know: a lot of holiday (4th and new years) firearms.
I found a 10 in saber fragment yesterday- quite rusty, but a good find.
TB
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you are kidding about the lipstick-right?
This was found 8" deep.
Not kidding. Deeper doesn't always mean older.
DCMatt
While I have aimed in my postings to be irenic and conciliatory, rather than polemic, I have yet endeavored to set forth the
truth, let it favor or impugn whom it might. Any notice of misrepresentations or mistakes occurring in these prose will be most thankfully received
by the author.
About your 2.5"-long brass tube:
It does resemble a Lipstick tube, and that's what it might be. But it also looks like a "Match-Safe." Before the invention of waterproof matches, a Match-Safe was a small (pocket-sized) tightly-closing brass container for soldiers (and "pioneers," etc) to keep a supply of matches dry. The sound you say you hear when you shake it may be some loose matches still inside it.
About your letter B:
Despite its resemblance to the stamped-brass US Army company letters, the unusually large cast-brass letters with tack-like pins on the back are now known to not be a Military insignia. They have been found on civilian leather horsegear, and there is no match-up for them in Army Regulations.
About your mystery-bullet:
It appears to be a .577/.58-caliber Enfield minie-ball which has been "pulled" from the back end, by what is called a Double-Helix bulletwork. I'll attach a couple of photos, showing a Double-Helix bulletworm, and some other minie-balls which were backwards-pulled. Sometimes a soldier erroneously loaded a minie backwards into the rifle barrel, and tried to "pull" it with a Double-Helix bulletworm. But the spiral pointed arms of the Double-Helix worm tended to just dig a circular trench into the minie's base-rim. You'll see what I mean in the photo.
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Originally Posted by TheCannonballGuy
About your 2.5"-long brass tube:
It does resemble a Lipstick tube, and that's what it might be. But it also looks like a "Match-Safe." Before the invention of waterprrof matches, a Match-Safe was a small (pocket-sized) tightly-closing brass container for soldiers (and "pioneers," etc) to keep a supply of matches dry. The sound you say you hear when you shake it may be some loose matches still inside it.
About your letter B:
Despite its resemblance to the stamped-brass US Army company letters, the large cast-brass letters with tack-like pins on the back are now known to not be a Military insignia. They have been found on civilian leather horsegear, and there is no match-up for them in Army Regulations.
About your mystery-bullet:
It appears to be a .577/.58-caliber Enfield minie-ball which has been "pulled" from the back end, by what is called a Double-Helix bulletwork. I'll attach a couple of photos, showing a Double-Helix bulletworm, and some other minie-balls which were ackwards-pulled. Sometimes a soldier erroneously loaded a minie backwards into the rifle barrel, and tried to "pull" it with a Double-Helix bulletworm. But the spiral pointed arms of the Double-Helix worm tended to just dig a circular trench into the minie's base-rim. You'll see what I mean in the photo.
Great sleuthing all around!
The pulled bullet theory is beyond sound-spot on IMO. The "B" was too large for to be a kepi, but was the font was quite similar, so not military. I guess I have to tinker with the Lipstick/Match holder a bit. BOOOOOMMM!
Thanks all.
Bandito
I would agree,see no worry about boom, Most likely dried up lip stick I've got quite a few over the years some are neat with cool figures & such on them,but below is one much like yours.As said check the end most are marked with Co.Names.
Here's a photo which shows how a Double-Helix bulletworm was intended to work. Its spiral "double corkscrew" shape worked pretty well on a minie-ball's nose ...but it had difficulty getting a grip on a minie's base.
Please note, one of the two spiraling iron arms is broken off the Double-Helix bulletworm in the photo. But it shows how the pointed arms dug into the minie's conical nose.
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Originally Posted by tennessee digger
Most likely dried up lip stick I've got quite a few over the years some are neat with cool figures & such on them,but below is one much like yours.As said check the end most are marked with Co.Names.
