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  1. #1

    May 2012
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    three to sleuth

    Hi All ,
    I have three puzzlers. First, the short nose bullet-not the impact one- has a peculiar base that I eludes identification. There is a primary ring then a conical impression thoughts? Next is a bras "B" . Seems too big for a kepi. next is a copper bullet shaped container with what seems a cap that I dare not pry off because when I shake I hear a grainy shake sound. 2 1/2 " long. Rather light to hold.
    Thanks
    TB
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    Tennessee Digger

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    Your bullet could be a Tom Greene. We would need to know the measurements to correctly I.D. it. What general area was it found? A lot of them come out of Texas and La. Tennessee digger

  3. #3

    May 2012
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    some comparisons

    Quote Originally Posted by tennessee digger View Post
    Your bullet could be a Tom Greene. We would need to know the measurements to correctly I.D. it. What general area was it found? A lot of them come out of Texas and La. Tennessee digger
    I live in rich, rich, richmond va.
    I have submitted one more pic to compare sizes. The find is to the left of the 3 ring minie (north w/ star int.) The two smaller are just other finds. I think they are older, but around here, you never know: a lot of holiday (4th and new years) firearms.
    I found a 10 in saber fragment yesterday- quite rusty, but a good find.
    TB
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    The copper "bullet" shaped tube is lipstick.

    DCMatt
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  5. #5

    May 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCMatt View Post
    The copper "bullet" shaped tube is lipstick.

    DCMatt
    you are kidding about the lipstick-right?
    This was found 8" deep.

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    Clean the flat side of the lipstik. Might have a date like 1898.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tesorobandit View Post
    you are kidding about the lipstick-right?
    This was found 8" deep.
    Not kidding. Deeper doesn't always mean older.

    DCMatt
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    truth, let it favor or impugn whom it might. Any notice of misrepresentations or mistakes occurring in these prose will be most thankfully received
    by the author.

  8. #8
    Educator

    Feb 2006
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    About your 2.5"-long brass tube:
    It does resemble a Lipstick tube, and that's what it might be. But it also looks like a "Match-Safe." Before the invention of waterproof matches, a Match-Safe was a small (pocket-sized) tightly-closing brass container for soldiers (and "pioneers," etc) to keep a supply of matches dry. The sound you say you hear when you shake it may be some loose matches still inside it.

    About your letter B:
    Despite its resemblance to the stamped-brass US Army company letters, the unusually large cast-brass letters with tack-like pins on the back are now known to not be a Military insignia. They have been found on civilian leather horsegear, and there is no match-up for them in Army Regulations.

    About your mystery-bullet:
    It appears to be a .577/.58-caliber Enfield minie-ball which has been "pulled" from the back end, by what is called a Double-Helix bulletwork. I'll attach a couple of photos, showing a Double-Helix bulletworm, and some other minie-balls which were backwards-pulled. Sometimes a soldier erroneously loaded a minie backwards into the rifle barrel, and tried to "pull" it with a Double-Helix bulletworm. But the spiral pointed arms of the Double-Helix worm tended to just dig a circular trench into the minie's base-rim. You'll see what I mean in the photo.
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    May 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCannonballGuy View Post
    About your 2.5"-long brass tube:
    It does resemble a Lipstick tube, and that's what it might be. But it also looks like a "Match-Safe." Before the invention of waterprrof matches, a Match-Safe was a small (pocket-sized) tightly-closing brass container for soldiers (and "pioneers," etc) to keep a supply of matches dry. The sound you say you hear when you shake it may be some loose matches still inside it.

    About your letter B:
    Despite its resemblance to the stamped-brass US Army company letters, the large cast-brass letters with tack-like pins on the back are now known to not be a Military insignia. They have been found on civilian leather horsegear, and there is no match-up for them in Army Regulations.

    About your mystery-bullet:
    It appears to be a .577/.58-caliber Enfield minie-ball which has been "pulled" from the back end, by what is called a Double-Helix bulletwork. I'll attach a couple of photos, showing a Double-Helix bulletworm, and some other minie-balls which were ackwards-pulled. Sometimes a soldier erroneously loaded a minie backwards into the rifle barrel, and tried to "pull" it with a Double-Helix bulletworm. But the spiral pointed arms of the Double-Helix worm tended to just dig a circular trench into the minie's base-rim. You'll see what I mean in the photo.



    Great sleuthing all around!
    The pulled bullet theory is beyond sound-spot on IMO. The "B" was too large for to be a kepi, but was the font was quite similar, so not military. I guess I have to tinker with the Lipstick/Match holder a bit. BOOOOOMMM!
    Thanks all.
    Bandito

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCMatt View Post
    The copper "bullet" shaped tube is lipstick.

    DCMatt
    I would agree,see no worry about boom, Most likely dried up lip stick I've got quite a few over the years some are neat with cool figures & such on them,but below is one much like yours.As said check the end most are marked with Co.Names.
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    Educator

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    Here's a photo which shows how a Double-Helix bulletworm was intended to work. Its spiral "double corkscrew" shape worked pretty well on a minie-ball's nose ...but it had difficulty getting a grip on a minie's base.

    Please note, one of the two spiraling iron arms is broken off the Double-Helix bulletworm in the photo. But it shows how the pointed arms dug into the minie's conical nose.
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