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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbattleaxe View Post
    Okay forum. I am a huge collector of old photography. I have had this one for a while. I cannot find any thing on this Native american Indian described as the chief of the Chippewas. I come up with Bebawissee for his name. I have spent a great deal of time on this one. I would like to put this to rest. This is the place for expertise on many topics. Thanks before hand. Bill
    Back of the photo reads "Bebawissee - Chief of the Chippewa"
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    Dang it I thought it was Toby Tubby Been lookin for thissin for years and his buried gold hoard.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Pueblo View Post
    Yes, thats him. Great work. This is the quote from the website you found:

    'Pay-baw-me-say

    Pay-baw-me-say or "Be-be-mis-se" (Flying Bird), son of Shwbwaway, was later known and called by his father's name, with the addition or rather prefix of the plain Anglo-Saxon name of "john," and his name so appears in the United States patent andin a deed given by him. His surviving spouse and other Indians say that at the time of his father's deah the became by heredity, chief of the depleted band of Chippewas and Ottawas then remining here. Considerng the small number of the band, said to be all told about two hundred, considering also, that the occaisions and emergencies requireing the use of hte high prerogatives of an Indian cheiftain did not then exist, and that by the treaty of 1855 tribal relations had been abolished for nearly twenty years, this distinction was certainly an empty honor. Pay-baw-me-say also lived and died in the same log cabin, his death occuring about the year 1882'
    Wow... Awesome research.

    Check the guy in the center - back row. Pretty sure that's our man. Chief Buffalo's Washington Delegation - June 1852.

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    He then explained to me that it was commonly believed that on a certain night of the year…
    a blue flame is seen over any place where treasure has been concealed.

    From: Bram Stoker’s "Dracula"


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    He then explained to me that it was commonly believed that on a certain night of the year…
    a blue flame is seen over any place where treasure has been concealed.

    From: Bram Stoker’s "Dracula"


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    Quote Originally Posted by DCMatt View Post
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    Thats a very interesting photo for sure. If you look at the shadows on their faces, such as the cheeks and the round eyes seen in the 1852 photo and the 2nd photo on the right there, there are some definite similarities. The man is also much younger and that would make sense for an 1852 photo. I wonder if someone could do one of those facial scan things to determine if these two men are a match.
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    If you look here, there is an old etching or something of the 1852 delegation. The two Natives in the back are holding the same kind of staff Bebawissee is holding. Im going to see if I cant find the names of the delegates in these two images.

    https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM3351
    Last edited by Old Pueblo; Dec 30, 2017 at 12:35 PM.
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    Apparently there is no caption to find for the illustration. Someone else has already done the research.

    https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM3351
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    thats an old photo,cant seem to find anymore on the Chief,ill look around more
    sometimes the indian population and names are recorded in county gen sites
    and native american indian census

    Childs, B. F. (Brainard F.) (ca. 1841-1921) (Photographer)
    more of his work
    https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/...(Brainard+F.)#

    this poster says
    Chippewa Chief Beebunesse of the L'Anse Michigan Tribe
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/108-Year-Ol...-/253326952910

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Pueblo View Post
    Thats a very interesting photo for sure. If you look at the shadows on their faces, such as the cheeks and the round eyes seen in the 1852 photo and the 2nd photo on the right there, there are some definite similarities. The man is also much younger and that would make sense for an 1852 photo. I wonder if someone could do one of those facial scan things to determine if these two men are a match.
    If that's not the same guy, I'll eat my hat. We already know he is in the picture from historic descriptions and documents. No one else in the photo looks even remotely like the more recent pics. Eyes, cheek bones, lips... Younger, as would expect, but there is no doubt in my mind that's our man.
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    He then explained to me that it was commonly believed that on a certain night of the year…
    a blue flame is seen over any place where treasure has been concealed.

    From: Bram Stoker’s "Dracula"


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    I don't see how we know that he was part of the 1852 delegation...?

    Here is another reference from 1875 indicating "Indian chief Bi-ba-misa, of the Chippewa tribe, also resides on Isle Marquette."

    Also an image of the cabin that he and his father Shab-wa-way lived and died in on Marquette.
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    I think you guys are right on. It sure looks like him in the top middle. Now I need to get his name straight. Did they spell their names differently? You guys make this site a lot of fun. Info keeps coming. I do appreciate your help. Thanks

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    with the deaths info, im wondering if your pic is dad
    for the son to be 100+ he would have to been born 1782

    Shab-wa-way
    born 1770-death 1872 was a 100+
    Be-Ba-mis-se
    born unkown-death about 1882

    Pay-baw-me~say or "Be-Ba-mis-se" (Flying Bird)
    his father
    Shab-eh-nay
    https://www.nps.gov/people/shabehnay.htm

    a cache copy rootsweb is down for repairs
    Chief Chabowaywa

    http://www.wiki30.com/wa?s=Marquette_Island

    Pay-baw-me-say son of Shabwaway
    Pay-baw-me~say or "Be-Ba-mis-se" (Flying
    Bird), son of Shabwaway, was later known and
    called by his father's name, with the addition or
    rather prefix of the plain Anglo-Saxon name of
    "John," and his name so appears in a United
    States patent and in a deed given by him.
    https://ia800300.us.archive.org/15/i...fle00grove.pdf

    Pay-baw-me-say the treaty he signed,
    a cache copy as rootsweb is down for prob 4 or more months
    Chippewa Treaty of 1854
    People of the Three Fires Native Genealogy
    Last edited by cw0909; Jan 03, 2018 at 06:48 PM.
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