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    I need some help with dating this key

    I found this a while ago in an old dump site near my house and i recently decided to clean it up with my Andreas Pencils. When I did, I noticed it had some writing on it. I cleaned it up some more and the writing turned out to say “ Sargent & Greenleaf (maybe says Co)
    Rochester N.Y. U.S.A.
    I know that that Sargent and greenleaf worked in Rochester from like 1868 or something like that to 1975 so a big window there. The design is also common of the company’s keys. Any help with this is appreciated and thank you for looking!
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    Last edited by Vermont treasure hunter; Feb 23, 2021 at 05:27 PM.
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    An image would really help. Here's some history. If you can find out when they first became "Incorporated" and started using "INC." instead of the earlier "CO." that would narrow it down a little.

    S&G intro

    https://www.locksmithledger.com/lock...th-anniversary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermont treasure hunter View Post
    Thread: I need some help with dating this key

    I found this a while ago in an old dump site near my house and i recently decided to clean it up with my Andreas Pencils. When I did, I noticed it had some writing on it. I cleaned it up some more and the writing turned out to say “ Sargent & Greenleaf (maybe says Co)
    Rochester N.Y. U.S.A.
    I know that that Sargent and greenleaf worked in Rochester from like 1868 or something like that to 1975 so a big window there. The design is also common of the company’s keys. Any help with this is appreciated and thank you for looking!
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    Best thing to do is Buck Up walk over & Ask for a Date !

    If you get a No , Smile & Ask another Key

    Seriously Though ! Pic ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff of pa View Post
    You Forgot the Picture ! Is it Good Looking ?

    Best thing to do is Buck Up walk over & Ask for a Date !

    If you get a No , Smile & Ask another Key

    Seriously Though ! Pic ?
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    Sorry about the pics! Will put them in now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    An image would really help. Here's some history. If you can find out when they first became "Incorporated" and started using "INC." instead of the earlier "CO." that would narrow it down a little.

    S&G intro

    https://www.locksmithledger.com/lock...th-anniversary
    It might be a INC. that part is really worn down and can only make out the a little pit of that word.

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    looks sort of like cash register keys

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    Dec 2003
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    Dec 2003
    Western Schuylkill County, Pa.
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    This one is being called a padlock key.

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    Link - https://www.bonanza.com/items/like/6...ter-Ny-Antique
    Last edited by AARC; Feb 23, 2021 at 06:38 PM.
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    Dec 2003
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    because they are listed as antiques online, i'm guessing easily 100 years old

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    http://w3.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/Sargent%...%20Nr%2021.pdf

    they partnered in 1865. the key matches the style of the padlock 135 key (see their page 54) and also a sub-treasury lock (see their pages 78-79).

    https://www.lockreference.com/wp-con...arly-1900s.pdf

    key matches that from a chest lock (their page 75)

    their lock brochures do not state manufacture dates but the (last link) brochure & price list are from 1917 so the key is at least that old.
    Last edited by Kenosha Kid; Feb 23, 2021 at 07:36 PM.
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