1656 4 reales info?

[Pyrotten]

I'm curious if anyone can enlighten me about this coin. I know who salvaged it but no idea on any other info.

 

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[Diver_Down]

I would be interested in seeing better pictures with proper orientation.

But to answer your question, it is a Transitional (Type VII) 4 Reale minted in Potosi. In 1656, Antonio de Ergueta was the assayer.

 

[Mackaydon]

What information do you seek?
Are you looking for an explanation of the images you see on the coin?
Are you wanting to know how this 'cob' was minted? etc.,etc.
Welcome to Treasure Net !!
Don...

 

[Pyrotten]

Welcome to Treasure Net !!
Don...

Thanks. Although I've been here almost 6 years (I don't post much. . ).

I'm guessing it's from the 1715 fleet based on how I came to possess it. The person I got it from was somewhat involved with Wagner. I'm mostly trying to have a more complete story when people ask about it.. and of course for my own personal satisfaction. I can try for better pictures but all I have is a phone to take them.

 

[Mackaydon]

I suggest you pick up or check out from your local library a used copy of The Practical Book of Cobs by Daniel Sedwick.
Don.......

 

[Diver_Down]

Thanks. Although I've been here almost 6 years (I don't post much. . ).

I'm guessing it's from the 1715 fleet based on how I came to possess it. The person I got it from was somewhat involved with Wagner. I'm mostly trying to have a more complete story when people ask about it.. and of course for my own personal satisfaction. I can try for better pictures but all I have is a phone to take them.

There are other wrecks that pre-date the 1715 fleet that have come to rest along the Treasure Coast. Your piece would likely not have been part of the 1715 fleet cargo. Your piece has its own place in cob history as the final design of the Pillar and Waves style was being determined. As you can see there is a PH above the denomination in the "Pillar Grid". This designation is removed in the final design.

 

[Pyrotten]

That's pretty cool to me. I'm sure that it's run of the mill for some of you guys but I'm happy to add it to the short list of things my son will inherit. Thanks for the info.

 

[Mackaydon]

It's a great piece of history.
There is another publication you might enjoy reading: "The Potosi Mint Scandal and Great Transition of 1652" by Dr. Sewall H. Menzel.
It may still be available at EN RADA Publications, P.O. Box 1698, West Palm Beach, Florida 33402-1698.
Don.....

 

[Pyrotten]

Awesome. I will see if I can get my hands on a copy. Thanks again.

 

[Diver_Down]

It's a great piece of history.
There is another publication you might enjoy reading: "The Potosi Mint Scandal and Great Transition of 1652" by Dr. Sewall H. Menzel.
It may still be available at EN RADA Publications, P.O. Box 1698, West Palm Beach, Florida 33402-1698.
Don.....

+1. I would highly recommend the above work to all cob enthusiasts.

 

[Pyrotten]

I did get some better pictures. Still not great but best I can do with this phone.

 

[Mackaydon]

Nice job on the clean up, quality of the pics and the alignment.
Don.....

 

[Diver_Down]

Nice job on the clean up, quality of the pics and the alignment.
Don.....

Indeed. They enlarge quite nice.

My gut feeling on the piece is that it was never recovered along the Treasure Coast. After taking a closer look at the enlarged photos, I had this nagging sense of seeing similarities to other pieces that I own and have handled. There is a "texture" that is common with other pieces from the Consolacion. It is a WAG.

 

[Pyrotten]

I'm going to say you're right. I was originally told the Concepcion but it's too new. I'm assuming he misspoke and meant Consolacion. Or maybe I misread.