are snyders usually this big?

[central MO rock stars]

found this one in the field a few years ago, it was in the middle of an old road that goes through our land that no one uses anymore, hoping it was an old Indian trail, made us sick when we saw the stem broken off but, it still is a very very nice piece

 

[creek astronaut]

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i commented on that piece yesterday i think.no they are not typically that big,too bad its broke that would have been a ridiculous artifact.i have seen them in collections and books that are that size and larger.i may have to get that one restored if it were mine.

 

[RobKruzan]

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Oh yeah makes me sick just seeing the pics cant imagine how you feel about it that would of been a killer still nice even being broke you can always have it restored.Nice find

 

[Muddy Feet]

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Broken or not, a very nice find.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

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I've seen a few that big. I've never found one that size, but I have seen them. If I was you I would send that baby off and let Dr. Gomer restore it.

 

[Flintfinder of Mo.]

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I am gonna chime in on this one, with my opinion. just my opinion. I dont think its a snyders, it has the shape, but the base seems wrong. Looks like a basal notch to me. kinda like a Smith, or a varient, or something like that. JMHO. John

 

[ShowmeMoflint]

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I think it is Synder point and a dang shame at that.That one is beautiful,big and well crafted awesome thanks for showing
Dan Capps

 

[Flintfinder of Mo.]

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Ok. you will prob never know, cause the base is gone. Here is my broken snyder, but its not a snyder. I found it on an early archaic site only. John

 

[Pinellas Man]

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Very nice 8), I'll agree with Greg in that I would think about having that one restored.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Re: are snyders or hopewells usually this big?

I am gonna chime in on this one, with my opinion. just my opinion. I dont think its a snyders, it has the shape, but the base seems wrong. Looks like a basal notch to me. kinda like a Smith, or a varient, or something like that. JMHO. John

John, I can see what you are saying and you may be correct, but that point has the classic body shape of a Snyders Point. I don't know how to digitally put a base on it, but if someone could put a Snyders base on it you would see what I mean.

 

[creek astronaut]

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hey dorkfish, i was just sitting here thinking the same thing.no brainer on the classic snyder blade shape,material and flaking.i do see where mo flint is coming from,got the book out and compared,but i have to say if i had to get it fixed up all pretty for the dance she would be a snyders.

 

[SoIll]

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I think flintfinder's is a fat dovetail and the first one is snyders because of the roundness.
ps flintfinder I think smith blades are unnotched snyders. Of course if yours was in preform shape it would look like a smith.

 

[Neanderthal]

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CMRS - That's one outstanding Snyders..damn. I have seen larger, but not a whole lot nicer than your example. I saw a 1/2 found locally that would have been 6"+ if complete. I have also seen several Grand points 5"+.

John - I can't tell much from the flaking on yours. Any chance it was a Cooper or Ferry?

SoIll - Huh? A Smith is much earlier than Snyders. Snyders (afinis) is a cluster of points from the Hopewell period that consist of Snyders, Gibson, Grand, Mackinaw, Carter, and a few others.

 

[SoIll]

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Oh yeah, I was thinking north blade.

 

[Neanderthal]

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Oh yeah, I was thinking north blade.

I think some North blades could be preforms for Snyders, they are the same family. However, not all of them are. I have seen many of them utilized as knives (with heavy use wear) in their unnotched configuration. Same way with Cobbs / Stanfield and Dovetail, or Wadlow and Etley.

 

[Flintfinder of Mo.]

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Yeap, I think I am wrong. After looking more close. you guys are right its a Snyders. I put a little tape on one of my big snyders to see what it would look like, and I'd say they look dern close. So I am sorry for the wrong input. The ears threw me off, but its broke in just the right spot that you cant see the snyders flared out ears. John

 

[The Grim Reaper]

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No need to apologize to us John. Every opinion is welcome as far as I'm concerned and you had some valid points. That Snyders in your last picture is a dandy. Is that a personal find? I wish we found them that big around my parts, but most of our Hopewell Points are of the smaller variety.

This entire tray is from a Woodland site I have been hunting for about 10 years and it is predominately Hopewell with some early and late Woodland mixed in. As you can see there are no big Hopewell Points in there and I haven't even found any pieces of big points.

 

[Neanderthal]

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Dork, is there any way I could see a pic of that serrated piece in that Hopewell frame?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Matt, I'll try to get a picture of it separately for you. It is the base off of a Serrated Triangle Point. This Woodland site is about a 1/2 mile from the Goldcamp Site which is a large Ft Ancient village site and produces tons of these Serrated Triangle Points and my guess is this one was probably just lost at this particular site or the sites actually coexisted at one time. As you can see from the picture there are a few other Triangle Points in there along with a couple of Stone Discs.

 

[Neanderthal]

Ahhh, ok. The reason I ask is because we find some very exotic deeply notched Hopewell here sometimes. They can look like extra side notches, or serrated, and I've even seen some very long eccentric notched blades that are Hopewell context. I've seen many of them from Oklahoma and Missouri especially. I was wondering if the same occurs up in Ohio?