Big Silver, I Think

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Well got out today to search the church woods. Found a couple coins 1905 liberty head nickel, 1890 IH (the third 1890 penny from these woods), and a 1933 wheatie. My first target of the day was this pocket watch piece that I believe is silver. There is only one stamping on the inside and it is very faint and looks like a "8" and a "0" . On the outside there is a ornamental stamping that looks like a flower or something around the hole on the left. The outside rim is grooved like a coin and there are 3 hinges. If anyone can help me date this pocket watch, I would be very gratefull. Thanks for looking.
 

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Nice finds,

Yes, I'd say it is silver. Late 1800's to early 1900's. Markings are probably makers marks for silver. Could bee 800.

HH Jer
 

looks like silver to me :thumbsup:
 

Great finds, sounds like a good spot to hit again.
 

Cool finds! I believe that's the cover off of an old pedometer. My grampa gave me one
when I was a kid, and it looked very similar to your cover. The holes on the front once
held some sort of decoration. The one I received had a mountaineer hiker with a walking
stick attached to the cover.

Slab
 

HI. Actually I believe the 80, if that is the numbers, likely refers to the size, a size 80 watch case. It is an old watch. There is another cover that is missing besides the movement. The larger hole you see, is for the key, as this is whats called a key wind watch. When this watch was complete in the day, you opened a rear cover that exposed the cover you see with the large hole, and the key was inserted into large hole, and you wound the watch movement. There was also likely a lever on the side, with movement(now gone) that you pulled to set the time. Hence know as a lever set, key wind. Probably pre 1900. But without more of watch, cant be 100% sure. Notice no stem to wind it, near the top, where the loop for chain is supposed to be. The smaller hole, is just from damage I believe. By the way, this was not likely a silver case. But likely a "silveroid" case, that had little if any silver. Most of these type of watchs, also had very few jewels perhaps 5-7 jewels. Jewels here refers to the bearings or metal bushings so to speak, the gear shafts and balance wheel shafts rode in. The more jewels, the better qaulity of the watch.
 

That's pretty cool! I found a pocket watch when I first started detecting (11 years old) and didn't know what it was so broke it open, took me a while to figure out what all the gears were for (Lol) But that's a really cool find, with my limited knowledge of pocket watches I'd say it was silver, and probably a pre 1890 watch because of the keywind..... The keywind's are usually European too, and for some reason I'm thinking German or Eastern European? I don't really know, but it's a great find either way!
 

Did I post something about this watch?? Seems I did, but maybe I will repeat. This watch had total of 3 covers. Outside back cover( missing), inside back cover(the one you see with holes), and front cover over face of watch(also missing). On this watch the only thing that may have been silver where the outside covers, and maybe inside cover. They would have been marked "sterling" or 925. The frame of this watch as is there, is a base or pot metal, which also has the remains of loop post, loop is missing that chain or fob goes too. From my experience and knowledge, this type of watch as found, was NOT a silver watch in content of parts. Movement of this watch was mounted in frame of course, and protected by covers.

And Key winds werent exclusive to eurpope, MANY makes of key winds made here in USA! Includeing some Elgin, which by the way, made over 13 million watchs by 1900! I would have to check my serial number book, but maybe as many as 30 million? My book is in storage now for winter. In my collection of watchs, I have a couple of Howards, that I dont think made a million watchs total and were not makeing watchs by late 1800,s or early 1900's. Key winds were made into eary 1900's, but not much later than that.

This watch was likely not made in europe, and did not likely have any silver in it. "Silveroid" again is what most watchs used for metal for covers, that were lower grade watchs in the era just before and after 1900. And I repeat, there were a number of companies that made key wind in usa!! One fact is true, Watchs and watch makers were more prevelant in europe before they were here, in greater use. But didnt take long for the fashion and advancements to reach here. Elgin is likely the most well known and largest producer of watchs before and after 1900 in the mechanical type of watch. Chain drives for driveing the works appeared in europe and here, as well as cylinder movements, though those types were out of use before 1900 here in usa. Gold of course was another medium of use for watchs. Also a lot of early swiss watchs reached the states, of which I have many.

There is to much more to say about watchs. I have been collecting for many years. I am not trying to knock the mans find, but lets not make a silk purse out of a sows ear, so to speak. I have found a number of watch remains, in the last couple years of detecting. And as relics when you dig them out of ground they are ok. But dont plan on buying tickets to Hawaii just yet from selling watch remains.
 

I hear what some others are saying and can appreciate their knowledge but that certainly looks like Sterling Silver to me :-\ The edge on it shouts "silver" :wink:
 

Some nice finds there....matt
 

I do want to add something more. I do not want to give impression I am an expert on old watch's. I collected seriously 30 years ago, when I got most of my watchs. I have had, and still have interests in antiques of alll kinds. Includeing mostly antique engines, tractors and trucks. So i do know a lot about old watchs, but NOT an expert.

By the way, I am pretty much selling off most of my collectibles, in favor of pursueing metal detecting, as I fear its only hobby I can afford. And frankly, as I am getting older, what do I do with buildings full of antiques? Leave them for relatives to fight over? Or use the money to travel a little, and pay bills and for meds a lot? I have chosen the answer.

So that being said, my experience says this is likely NOT silver. Key word is not likely. Its still possible it is, but only the remaining cover could be silver. I would have it checked, it you are inclined to know. At any rate my friends, Thanks for letting me express my opinion, and it is just that, my opinion. I remain, oldhippiecoinhntr.
 

Hi,

The only things that makes me think its not silver is... In picture two near the bottom of the watch you can see what looks to be flaking of plating or corrosion of some kind. Maybe just dirt its hard to tell.... Look close at it and see if you see any corrosion or flaking. The 2nd thing that makes me think its not silver is it looks to be a newer in design. Dating after the Marking Acts in the early 1900's so it should have a clear mark and dose not. Sorry I don't want to burst your bubble just want to find out the facts and tell you what your looking for.

Keep @ it and HH!!
 

Thank you all for the replies and information. It is not really that big of a deal that it probably is not silver. I thought it was a another dollar at first and was kind of bummed that it was not. After I got it home and cleaned it up it definitely looked like silver to me. It was black and after I cleaned it and tarn-xed it I looked for any kind of corrosion or flaking and could not find any. So being a novice and a little bit of wishful thinking led me to believe that it might be silver. No big loss, still a great relic for my collection. Thanks for the help :thumbsup:
 

jsu said:
Thank you all for the replies and information. It is not really that big of a deal that it probably is not silver. I thought it was a another dollar at first and was kind of bummed that it was not. After I got it home and cleaned it up it definitely looked like silver to me. It was black and after I cleaned it and tarn-xed it I looked for any kind of corrosion or flaking and could not find any. So being a novice and a little bit of wishful thinking led me to believe that it might be silver. No big loss, still a great relic for my collection. Thanks for the help :thumbsup:

Sounds exactly like silver. Believe it or not silver has a particular taste as well. You can get a cheap testing kit for about $10.
 

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