Black beards Mulberry island treasure

[captED]

it is said that a pirate who sailed with blackbeard wrote a passage saying that if he were to return to find fortune he would sail to a island called mayberry in VA. anyone have further info on this ? the island is on james river and goverment property well most of it but not all of it .

thanks

 

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[Dave44]

If it is there it is most likely on the res. It is a big area though, if the base commander is a friend you might be able to spend a year or two looking at likely places for it. As luck would have it there aren't that many places to get Queen Annes Revenge close to it, maybe that will help? And check very old maps to see how much the river has moved. Good luck Buddy!

 

[banana skin slippers]

captED,

The source you talk about was Anthony de Silvestro , he did exist and he died on Bourbon Island now Reunion. The officials got him in the end.

 

[Crow]

Hello Banana

Interesting do ya care to elaborate further on that?

Crow

 

[banana skin slippers]

Hi Crow,
I merely found him briefly while reading the wealth and depth of work produced by Robert Bousquet ;
Les esclaves et leurs maitres a Bourbon , au temps de la compagnie des Indes 1665 - 1767

Anthony de Silvestro became known via book written by Clement Downing in 1737
Compendius history of Indian Wars.
Downing arrived in India in company with the newly arriving Governor of Bombay Charles Boone in 1715 , some believe his book to be loaded with a heavy dose of fiction , however if it is dissected and placed in sequence , a lot of truth does come from it. Especially if it can be cross referenced via other sources / documents, admittedly some dates and names are out of wack to an extent.
This treasure appears to be in a no go area and really advisable in not taking a risk on it.
p124-125 of Downings book will give the origins of where this story started to be told.
Downing met Silvestro , he was part of a group 2 Dutch and 3 Portuguese , Silvestro being Portuguese spoke good English and had been brought up by one Cpt Westerby of Poplar , Silvestro talked of having been amongst pirates and he had been on one of the sloops coming out of Virginia , when Blackbeard was caught.
So how did he get to the Indian Ocean? 1718 A few pirates were starting to venture across the Atlantic for West Africa ...Condent , Ed England , Cocklin , La Buse , John Taylor (Richard to his crew) Moody , so who knows? it could be whittled down to Edward England and his time as quarter master to pirate Charles Vane and his connections with Blackbeard as the most likely route , but then again , Condent was/is a tough one to track his whereabouts at the time. Taylor was with England as well.

As for Silvestro , i will try find the piece but it was a very brief piece amongst many.
Banana`s

 

[Crow]

Hello banana

Some real interesting stuff there. Your research is coming along nicely. Please do keep me informed of ya progress.

Crow

 

[Rebel - KGC]

captED,

The source you talk about was Anthony de Silvestro , he did exist and he died on Bourbon Island now Reunion. The officials got him in the end.

He WAS the Pirate that "reported" on Mulberry Island in Virginia; reported to be on the James River, the York River... BOTH near Williamsburg, Va. where BB's headless body was buried. There was a report of Mulberry Island near Maryland; if so... MUST be in the Chesapeake Bay area, near EASTERN SHORE, Va./Md. Hmmm...

 

[banana skin slippers]

Hi Rebel -KGC,

Was he a pirate?

Or was he taken by pirates , then forced into being a pirate or did he go willingly? Since he was on a sloop "poplar" coming out of Virginia.

There is what i think a pretty big clue in the book pages i mentioned about the whereabouts of 3 chests wrapped in iron bar.
Plus am sure others here could add more about the local folklore still present to this day , and a search of the local newspapers may prove fruitful.
banana`s

 

[banana skin slippers]

As a side thingy , in the madness of it all the author Clement downing who was eventually on board "Salisbury" a vessel in a squadron out in search for pirates in and around Madagascar , and St Marie early 1720`s actually met a captive surgeon held by the very pirates he was chasing 3-4yrs later in a pub in Wapping, London called the "White heart" where they perhaps shared a yarn or two over a flagon of ale.Along with another gentleman who was among the pirates. Funny old world innit.
banana`s

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hi Rebel -KGC,

Was he a pirate?

Or was he taken by pirates , then forced into being a pirate or did he go willingly? Since he was on a sloop "poplar" coming out of Virginia.

There is what i think a pretty big clue in the book pages i mentioned about the whereabouts of 3 chests wrapped in iron bar.
Plus am sure others here could add more about the local folklore still present to this day , and a search of the local newspapers may prove fruitful.
banana`s

One of the Pirate survivor of BB's LAST battle in the Grand Inlet of Outer Banks, NC. Ocracoke, NC is a "Must See" for "fans" of BB. BB's head was cut off by Brit Navy; BB's head was mounted on Royal Navy ship... headless body was conveyed to Williamsburg, Va. as PROOF to Royal Governor Spotswood, that BB was dead; buried near Royal Governor's Palace in "historic section". To this day, "Bankers" (Outer Banks, NC folks) chant "DEATH TO SPOTSWOOD!"

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Doing R & I on Mulberry Island/James River, Mulberry Island/York River, Mulberry Island/Chesapeake Bay, Va./Md.

 

[banana skin slippers]

Perhaps , i am wrong , but it was never mentioned that Silvestro was with Blackbeard "of a sloop out of Virginia when Blackbeard was captured" give or take a few months from a person trying to remember a month a few years later....
Cpt Charles Vane was also at Ocracoke around the 2nd week of September 1718 , where he stayed with Blackbeard a few days , before Blackbeard sailed up to Bath . C/woodard p287
Vane the following month was in the Bahamas
In November 4th woodes rogers sent out reformed pyrates Benjamin Hornigold and Cockram in search of Vane , So where were they til they returned 28th November.
Most of this is from impressive work of Colin Woodard "Republic of Pirates" but there is source via the Calander of State papers , Colonial , America and West Indies. Vol 30...or the original colonial Office documents.
Bananas

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hmmm... as far as I know, BB was NEVER captured; had a BIG Mansion in Bath, N.C., where he entertained other Pirates & the GOVERNOR of North Carolina (Eden). BB also had a HUGE "furnace" near Bath, N.C. where Pirates melted down "booties"; owner of that field later tore "furnace" down & plowed over it... DANG! Would LOVE to MD/TH THERE! Heard from some ppl that BB's skull was later used as drinking cup in "rituals"... dunno. It was the Brit Navy who had the BB Drinking Cup rituals; looking into it, now...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Doing R & I on Mulberry Island/James River, Mulberry Island/York River, Mulberry Island/Chesapeake Bay, Va./Md.

R & I indicates that Mulberry Island was located on the James River, near Newport News, Va. & Ft. Eustis (US ARMY).

IF BB buried treasure on Mulberry Island, FEDS probably found it & built Ft. Eustis over the site.

 

[Dave44]

R & I indicates that Mulberry Island was located on the James River, near Newport News, Va. & Ft. Eustis (US ARMY).

IF BB buried treasure on Mulberry Island, FEDS probably found it & built Ft. Eustis over the site.

That is precisely my thoughts on this. I have been waiting to see who else would come up with this! Good Job Rebel!? ( I think? Maybe it is just you and I?)

 

[Crow]

Its is possible but unless there is evidence to confirm this alleged discovery? Then it is only an assumption. Asumptions can be dangerous because we have only ever have a 50% chance of being correct. Perhaps it was recovered even before in 19th century by some one? Who really knows? Perhaps the answer might turn out many years from now and when we are are all long gone some makes a chance discovery? All assumptions! No one realkly knows and thats why it is a treasure legend my friends.

So I wouldn't be too quick to fully write off the treasure legend just yet.....

Crow

 

[Dave44]

Its is possible but unless there is evidence to confirm this alleged discovery? Then it is only an assumption. Asumptions can be dangerous because we have only ever have a 50% chance of being correct. Perhaps it was recovered even before in 19th century by some one? Who really knows? Perhaps the answer might turn out many years from now and when we are are all long gone some makes a chance discovery? All assumptions! No one realkly knows and thats why it is a treasure legend my friends.

So I wouldn't be too quick to fully write off the treasure legend just yet.....

Crow

Someone claimed to have found it? I would like to read that article, please.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

That is precisely my thoughts on this. I have been waiting to see who else would come up with this! Good Job Rebel!? ( I think? Maybe it is just you and I?)

TY... dunno.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Its is possible but unless there is evidence to confirm this alleged discovery? Then it is only an assumption. Asumptions can be dangerous because we have only ever have a 50% chance of being correct. Perhaps it was recovered even before in 19th century by some one? Who really knows? Perhaps the answer might turn out many years from now and when we are are all long gone some makes a chance discovery? All assumptions! No one realkly knows and thats why it is a treasure legend my friends.

So I wouldn't be too quick to fully write off the treasure legend just yet.....

Crow

Good Luck in looking for it... HH!

 

[Crow]

Hello Rebel thank you. But its exactly not high on my list, I have too much research to do on elsewhere.

Crow