Nashces
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Hey guys. I recently started about a week ago metal detecting. I use to MD up in Huntington WVA, Cabell county with my Grandfather.
I recently decided to get back into MDing. Mainly for the excercise and history. I'm real big into researching things. You can see my first find from last week located here on Tnet. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,87666.0.html.
Anyways here's abit about my last two nights. Recently my Ex Mother-in-law who I still call Mom moved out of her old house. They left alot of junk behind but got together a bag of stuff that I left with my Ex-wife for my kids when they got older. This bag had alot of Old papers like my report cards and a Book on my family geneology.
Well before I left my moms new place both her and my ex told me that there may be a chest of other stuff that my dad brought by years ago. I decided to go to the house and it had been completly ransacked and cleared out of most left behind stuff.
I found the old footlocker in the shed and it had been busted open already. I started to go thru it and found alot of family papers from over the years. A Ton of pics and such. I found 3 Military style Duffle bags and a Ruck Sack. I almost filled all 4 with stuff from the shed.
As you can see it's a mess in the Shed. The Red foot Locker/Hope Chest is visable in this pic.
Here is some of the stuff that I thought would make a decent pic. Most of these were dug up by my Grandfather with a Old Whites detector I believe. You can see some old mail sent to him in 69 and 70 from a MD company in the pics. Along with Army medals a 50s Camera, Stamps and Dug tokens and Coins, The Jelwery is both Dug and some I think belong to my grandmother.
I added the MDing Mag cause It's the first one I bought ever. Just got it today and I got the Red Book on loan from the Local Libary yesterday. The Cassette tape is from Late 1972 from my Mom and Dad to my Grandparents. When they were stationed in Germany they would make audio tapes to send back to WVa. The tape has me on there at 6 months making googie gaggie noises and such. Ill be 35 next month
Theres also a Harley Davidson Air intake . The little Set in the back is a English Leather sample pack of Soap, Cologne and Hairdressing stuff. A bunch of stamps and dug coins that I havent even identified yet. Most are world coins and tokens.
See the broken coin at the top of this next pic.
It's the only thing I've tried to identify so far today. The following is the Info I could get on it :
The Bar Copper 1785: Introduction
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As with several other tokens of the period, little is known about the origin of the undated bar coppers. Most probably they were minted in Birmingham at the request of a New York merchant. From the New Jersey Gazette of November 12, 1785, we learn:
A new and curious kind of coppers have lately made their appearance in New York. The novelty and bright gloss of which keeps them in circulation. These coppers are in fact similar to Continental buttons without eyes; on the one side are thirteen stripes and on the other U.S.A., as was usual on the soldiers buttons.
At an average weight of 80.8 - 87.2 grains this coin was even lighter that most Birmingham products. Thus, it is unlikely they passed for more than the standard rate of fourteen coppers to the shilling. For this reason, we may assume they do not deserve their traditional name of "bar cents" but rather should be called coppers or tokens. They are usually found on narrow planchets with incomplete rim denticles.
Several reproductions exist. John Bolen of Springfield, Massachusetts produced replica dies in 1862 and struck 65 examples in copper. W. Elliot Wordward then purchased the dies and struck 12 examples in silver. Additional unattribued strikings of this die exist in nickel, brass and tin. Original examples will have a spur protruding down from the far right side of the second bar toward the third. Often there is also a small die crack joining the two bars almost in the middle of the coin. Neither of these will appear on copies from the Bolen dies. There are also several modern souvenir copies without numismatic value.
In the 2004 Red book it states if the A is Under the "S" it is a remake of the orginal coin and comes from 1862. If the A is on top of the S it's supposedly a 1785 version.
Obverse: USA
Reverse: [no text]
Weight: 79.9 g (5.17 grams) Diameter: 25.0 mm Reverse die alignment: 350°
Comments: This token is based on a Continental Army button design. It has a USA monogram on the obverse and thirteen bars on the reverse. Genuine examples, as this specimen, can be identified from later reproductions in that the genuine coin will have a spur protruding down from the far right side of the second bar pointing toward the third bar. Often there is also a small die crack joining the two bars almost in the middle of the coin, although the crack is not visible in this well circulated example. The reverse die alignment assumes the spur on the second bar faces downward (otherwise it is only a guess as to which end is up!)
Sorry i only have a camera phone . These pics are so bad haha. Gonna try and take a pic through a Mag glass on my phone
Well The things I loved the most were the old pics of My Grandparents and Parents. Also had a veiw pics of myself in there and I figured I would share the most embarrising one with you all.
Yep im on a Fake Cow ....
p.s. Would it be ok to let these coins soak in Olive Oil to clean? Any advice is greatly appreciated guys and gals.
Hope you enjoyed another History Lesson by Nash!!!!
I recently decided to get back into MDing. Mainly for the excercise and history. I'm real big into researching things. You can see my first find from last week located here on Tnet. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,87666.0.html.
Anyways here's abit about my last two nights. Recently my Ex Mother-in-law who I still call Mom moved out of her old house. They left alot of junk behind but got together a bag of stuff that I left with my Ex-wife for my kids when they got older. This bag had alot of Old papers like my report cards and a Book on my family geneology.
Well before I left my moms new place both her and my ex told me that there may be a chest of other stuff that my dad brought by years ago. I decided to go to the house and it had been completly ransacked and cleared out of most left behind stuff.
I found the old footlocker in the shed and it had been busted open already. I started to go thru it and found alot of family papers from over the years. A Ton of pics and such. I found 3 Military style Duffle bags and a Ruck Sack. I almost filled all 4 with stuff from the shed.
As you can see it's a mess in the Shed. The Red foot Locker/Hope Chest is visable in this pic.
Here is some of the stuff that I thought would make a decent pic. Most of these were dug up by my Grandfather with a Old Whites detector I believe. You can see some old mail sent to him in 69 and 70 from a MD company in the pics. Along with Army medals a 50s Camera, Stamps and Dug tokens and Coins, The Jelwery is both Dug and some I think belong to my grandmother.
I added the MDing Mag cause It's the first one I bought ever. Just got it today and I got the Red Book on loan from the Local Libary yesterday. The Cassette tape is from Late 1972 from my Mom and Dad to my Grandparents. When they were stationed in Germany they would make audio tapes to send back to WVa. The tape has me on there at 6 months making googie gaggie noises and such. Ill be 35 next month
Theres also a Harley Davidson Air intake . The little Set in the back is a English Leather sample pack of Soap, Cologne and Hairdressing stuff. A bunch of stamps and dug coins that I havent even identified yet. Most are world coins and tokens.
See the broken coin at the top of this next pic.
It's the only thing I've tried to identify so far today. The following is the Info I could get on it :
The Bar Copper 1785: Introduction
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As with several other tokens of the period, little is known about the origin of the undated bar coppers. Most probably they were minted in Birmingham at the request of a New York merchant. From the New Jersey Gazette of November 12, 1785, we learn:
A new and curious kind of coppers have lately made their appearance in New York. The novelty and bright gloss of which keeps them in circulation. These coppers are in fact similar to Continental buttons without eyes; on the one side are thirteen stripes and on the other U.S.A., as was usual on the soldiers buttons.
At an average weight of 80.8 - 87.2 grains this coin was even lighter that most Birmingham products. Thus, it is unlikely they passed for more than the standard rate of fourteen coppers to the shilling. For this reason, we may assume they do not deserve their traditional name of "bar cents" but rather should be called coppers or tokens. They are usually found on narrow planchets with incomplete rim denticles.
Several reproductions exist. John Bolen of Springfield, Massachusetts produced replica dies in 1862 and struck 65 examples in copper. W. Elliot Wordward then purchased the dies and struck 12 examples in silver. Additional unattribued strikings of this die exist in nickel, brass and tin. Original examples will have a spur protruding down from the far right side of the second bar toward the third. Often there is also a small die crack joining the two bars almost in the middle of the coin. Neither of these will appear on copies from the Bolen dies. There are also several modern souvenir copies without numismatic value.
In the 2004 Red book it states if the A is Under the "S" it is a remake of the orginal coin and comes from 1862. If the A is on top of the S it's supposedly a 1785 version.
Obverse: USA
Reverse: [no text]
Weight: 79.9 g (5.17 grams) Diameter: 25.0 mm Reverse die alignment: 350°
Comments: This token is based on a Continental Army button design. It has a USA monogram on the obverse and thirteen bars on the reverse. Genuine examples, as this specimen, can be identified from later reproductions in that the genuine coin will have a spur protruding down from the far right side of the second bar pointing toward the third bar. Often there is also a small die crack joining the two bars almost in the middle of the coin, although the crack is not visible in this well circulated example. The reverse die alignment assumes the spur on the second bar faces downward (otherwise it is only a guess as to which end is up!)
Sorry i only have a camera phone . These pics are so bad haha. Gonna try and take a pic through a Mag glass on my phone
Well The things I loved the most were the old pics of My Grandparents and Parents. Also had a veiw pics of myself in there and I figured I would share the most embarrising one with you all.
Yep im on a Fake Cow ....
p.s. Would it be ok to let these coins soak in Olive Oil to clean? Any advice is greatly appreciated guys and gals.
Hope you enjoyed another History Lesson by Nash!!!!
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