E-Trac vs. E-Trac - Got my butt kicked by a newbie - Also found a WWI Dog Tag

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Hi Everybody,

drodda777 and I got out for a hunt today. The weather was perfect - nearly 70 degrees and sunny. Drodda777 is new to detecting, having bought his first detector, a Minelab E-Trac, barely three weeks ago (what a way to start!). In all fairness, I got mine at the same time, but I have an extra year and a half detecting experience with my Ace 250. Since we live only 20 miles apart, we decided to get together and compare notes and do a hunt together.

We headed out to a nearby town that has an old school building. It was built in 1929 and last used in the mid 1940s. We knew it had been hunted quite a bit before, but we thought it would be a good challenge for our detectors to see what else there was to find. We spent about three hours scouring the grounds. drodda777 found three wheats and two 1950s era nickels. I managed one wheat and two memorial pennies.

It was 1:30 and we decided to head to a nearby town for lunch. The closest town only had a convenience store (no restaurants), so we picked up a couple of expensive sandwiches (three bucks each for two slices of bread with one slice of processed cheese and a few slices of turkey between them). After our delicious meal, we decided to head into town to see if there were any parks to detect. We found a couple, but nothing that looked very promising. One was a small city park with a modern playground, and the other was across the street. It was probably the smallest park I have ever seen. The total park couldn't have been more than 50' by 100'. It had a small gazebo/band stand and a flag pole. (75% of the park is shown in this picture. Almost all of the coins were found in the area pictured.)

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We thought we might find a few dollars in clad, so we decided to stop for a few minutes and check it out. I immediately found a clad quarter and a harmonica reed. drodda777 soon found a wheatie, followed by another. By now, I was feeling pretty low. He was up to 5 wheaties for the day, and I only had one. After a bit, though, I started finding wheaties. First one or two, then more coming regularly. Just when I started feeling good about things, drodda777 announced he had found a Mercury dime. This changed things. Then he found a second Mercury. I continued to find wheaties, but anything else eluded me. I tried varying my discrimination settings, changing my sensitivity, deep on - deep off, normal soil - difficult soil. But still I was only finding wheat cents. After awhile, drodda777 did the happy dance and came over to show me a very fine V nickel he had plucked from the ground. The best I could do was to find a few more wheaties. When it was time to go, we tallied up our finds. drodda777 had 7 wheats, two Mercs and a V nickel. I managed 12 wheats ('16, '29S, '34, '39, '41, '41D, '44, '44D, '44S, '45, '46, '50D) and about 50 cents in clad.

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I'm not complaining, this was three times more wheats than I have ever found in a day, so it was a good day for me. But drodda777 was on fire. I had been tromped by a novice!!

It was a good chance to learn our detectors better. I learned that I need to dig more signals. drodda777 was digging anything that was repeatable. I was going more for the sure thing. He dug a lot more trash than I did, but he also got more goodies. The other thing I came away with is that I need to get a pinpointer. drodda777 has a Sunray X-1 probe, and he made good use of it. A couple of times I called him over to help me find a problem target, and he was able to do it easily with his probe.

Congrats to drodda777! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I look forward to going out again with him soon. Look at his post and pics of his finds here http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,232994.0.html.

One other thing. I found this disc.

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It has a person's full name on it and 'U.S.A.' underneath. Does anybody have any idea what this could be? It is probably circa WWII era.

Thanks for looking!

HH,

Dr. Ace
 

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Re: E-Trac vs. E-Trac - Got my butt kicked by a newbie

dont give your hopes up, many of my family members i know have.
 

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Thanks for making the trip over to hunt. It was interesting to trade stories about our machines. Today was really a good day to learn from what each of us did with our machines. It was a pleasant surprise to find that small park after a slow morning of finds. I would say we both came away winners, besides I said first one to 1800's is the winner when we first started. So I would call today a push at best. I came up 12 years short.

HH,

Dave
 

Re: E-Trac vs. E-Trac - Got my butt kicked by a newbie

Looks more like a WWI dog tag. Anything on the back?
 

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Hey Bruce.

The person who finds the most "oldies" is the winner after a day's hunt. That's the way we compare each others' finds over here. When I say oldies, I mean any wheatie or earlier for the copper, any silver coin, or any tokens or older relics dating before WWII. I know we'd rather find the silver coins over the wheats, but that's just the luck of the swing. The skill is how many can you find.

You had a great day, buddy!

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan
 

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civil war hunter said:
dont give your hopes up, many of my family members i know have.

civil war hunter, I'm not discouraged. It was fun to meet somebody who has the same passion for detecting. Dave earned everything he found. I don't begrudge him at all. We both learned things that will make us better detectorists, and we had fun. That was the main thing!

drodda777 said:
Thanks for making the trip over to hunt. It was interesting to trade stories about our machines. Today was really a good day to learn from what each of us did with our machines. It was a pleasant surprise to find that small park after a slow morning of finds. I would say we both came away winners.

Thanks Dave. Anytime you can get out and hunt is a good day. And today was a great day weather wise and finds wise. Plus we made a new acquaintance, so it was a win all around. The finds were just the icing on the cake!! Let me know when you want to go detecting again. I'm ready any time. :D

stoney56 said:
Looks more like a WWI dog tag. Anything on the back?

stoney56, at first I was going to say 'no', but I took another look and there is a number stamped on the back. It says '0841'. Could this be a WWI dog tag? Thanks for your help.
 

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Re: E-Trac vs. E-Trac - Got my butt kicked by a newbie

its a type "B" us marine corp "American Expeditionary Force"*--- type id disc of around the WW1 era -- in 1918 they started putting their AEF* number on the back* ( used for guys sent to france in WW1)
 

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Captn_SE said:
Bruce,

Check this site out. Looks like your tag is from 1916-1921.

http://1stbattalion3rdmarines.com/00-marine-images/USMC DOG TAGS_files/Dog-Tags.htm

HH,
CAPTN SE

Dan, looks like you and stoney56 are correct. This looks like a WWI dog tag. The name on the front is 'Delmer E. Barr'. On the back it says 0841. I did some checking on the internet, but I didn't come up with anyone by that name in the SSN death index, or anywhere else, for that matter.

Dan's link said:

ID Tags "Dog Tags" - Basic shapes

There exists 6 basic shapes of USMC "Dog Tags" :

A - circular perforated at one side, size : of a silver half-dollar
B - circular perforated at each side, size : of a silver half-dollar
C - oval perforated at one side, size : width 1.25 inches (3.18 cm), length 1.5 inches (3,81 cm)
D - oval perforated at each side, size : width 1.25 inches (3.18 cm), length 1.5 inches (3,81 cm)
E - rectangular with rounded end and notch, size : width 1.125 inches (2,86 cm), length 2 inches (5,08 cm)
F - rectangular with rounded end, size : width 1.125 inches (2,86 cm), length 2 inches (5,08 cm)

ID Tags "Dog Tags" - shape "A" and "B" ( 1916 - 1921 )
First officially prescribed – 1916
Material used – Aluminum
Number of Dog Tags – 1 or 2
Dog Tag chain – woven cloth cord, wire in cloth sleeve and etc.
Dog Tag marking – etched and stamped
Side one – stamped personal data
Side two –
Empty or
Etched print of the right index finger or
AEF serial number ( since 1918 ) *
* Notice - The Marines assigned to AEF (American Expeditionary Forces ) in France during WW1 used Army "Dog Tags" of shape "A" and "B". In Marine Corps Manual of 1921 is stated : .... has authorized the use of the Marine Corps identification tag until the exhaustion of present supply, after which the tag in the Navy regulations ( tag of "C" shape ) will be used. In the inter war period and at the beginning of the WW2 the dog tags were not standard issue. In Marine Corps manual of 1940 is stated " .... ID tags will be issued "in the time of war or other national emergency ....".


Thanks for your help!!

Dr. Ace
 

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Great job on the ID guys. That was a pleasant surprise for todays finds! :thumbsup:



From The SSN death records I find this:

DELMER BARR
Born-28 Sep 1898
Died- Apr 1980
Place- 50317 (Des Moines, Polk, IA) (none specified)
SSN:484-32-5264
State- Iowa

By the way he died April 14th 1980. You found this Dogtag April 15th???????? :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:
Seems ike this guy could be the one with the tag?

HH,

Dave
 

Re: E-Trac vs. E-Trac - Got my butt kicked by a newbie

very possible . the name matches ---and being he was born in 1898 ----in 1918 he'd be 20 years old --- prime draft fodder for world war 1. -- and he was a "local" boy from the state of Iowa where the item was found as well.--- I'd say most likely you've found your man.--
 

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Bruce,

I was wrong on the day of death. The Obituary for him was posted in the Des Moines Tribune April 14th 1980 on page 23 column 4. If you go to the Des Moines Public library they have a copy of this on file.

HH,

Dave
 

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Stoney, Dan, Ivan, Dave - you guys are amazing. Thanks for your help in solving this mystery. I will have to try and get a microfilm of the Des Moines Register for April 1980. I'll have to see if there is a next of kin listed in the obit. It would be cool to be able to return the tag to his relatives.

Thanks again!

Dr. Ace
 

Bruce it was in the Des Moines TRIBUNE in 1980. This was before the register bought them out.

Let me know how this goes?

Guess you win since he was born in 1898 so you found something tied to the 1800's.

Great find by the way, kind of takes the wind out of my Merc sails. :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

This tiny park keeps on giving!!!

HH,

Dave
 

if you cant find the next of kin maybe you could turn it over to the local historian
never know when thay can be of help finding great places to detect
 

Looks like a pretty nice hunt on both sides....
Always nice to make new friends...rivals...etc.... :tongue3:
 

excellent find and info on the dog tag
 

Seems to me that you guys had a great day. Forget the sandwiches. I wish I had someone to hunt with. It's so much more fun, than going at it alone. Congrats and keep it up.
 

Ace, I think you both had excellent finds, major congrats on the dog tag!!!!

HH Joe
 

You can try going over to the American Legion or the War Vets in that town
and, see if maybe they know any one from his family.
I'm sure they do. This way you can give it to his family.
They would love it.
Gl
HH
Dan
p.s. I love my etrac too!!!
 

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