Eldorado VS Vaquero

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i have a new v and it most likely isn't any deeper, but probably has a little more upgraded electronics and maybe improved seperation, pinpoint has been added.
 

In head to head tests, I found the Vaquero quite a bit deeper than the Eldorado. 2 inches on a quarter is very significant to me. The main thing I liked better about the Eldorado was that it had the all metal-disc toggle, which allowed you to hunt in all metal, and then click over to check in disc. Great when relic hunting in the woods or fields. With the Vaquero you can do this in a similar way by setting the machine in disc and then holding the pinpoint button in to hunt in all metal, but it gets a little tiring to hold in the button. The button should have a click on, click off feature, and it would be perfect. I never found the pinpoint necessary anyway. Just X the target and where it beeps, dig. Both great machines, which is what I expect from Tesoro.
 

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Here is my two cents worth from a previous post.
I have both the Vaquero and the Eldorado and for what it’s worth I can’t see a significant difference between them in regards to their ability to detect metals. The Eldorado has a lower range of acceptance in the discrimination mode than the Vaquero. It has a toggle switch to change from all metal to discrimination and to check the battery condition which I like. The Vaquero has a momentary push button that puts the detector in the all metal mode for pinpointing which I also like. According to “Monte” who has owned and operated many detectors for many, many years, the Eldorado may get a bit better depth in some situations but the Vaquero tends to operate a bit quieter in iron trash areas. I’m sure there are other subtle differences that someone of his experience would recognize immediately but it probably wouldn’t be all that noticeable to the average guy. It isn’t to me anyway. I use the stock 8x9 coil on the Vaquero and keep a 5 ¾ on the Eldorado. I take them both along so there is going to be a difference in performance anyway because of the different coils. Monte has commented a lot on the two machines in recent posts on various forums that would be worth your time to read. I hope this helps.
Stan
 

Shenandoah Digger said:
The main thing I liked better about the Eldorado was that it had the all metal-disc toggle, which allowed you to hunt in all metal, and then click over to check in disc. Great when relic hunting in the woods or fields. With the Vaquero you can do this in a similar way by setting the machine in disc and then holding the pinpoint button in to hunt in all metal, but it gets a little tiring to hold in the button.

i dont get it, the Vaquero does have All-Metal- as the first setting in Disc mode, so both eldorado and vaquero can be run just fine searching in all-metal.
 

Sonicmasd
You’re right the, Vaquero can be hunted in “all metal” and you can do it without holding the push button in, but the all metal control is also the discrimination knob so you can’t pre-set the discrimination and toggle back and forth from all metal to disk to check a target. Lets say you’re hunting a pretty clean site and you decide to use all the metal mode but you want to disk out everything below foil so using a piece of foil you set you’re disk to reject it. With the Eldorado you can leave the disc. set, select the all metal mode and when a target is encountered you can quickly toggle to disc to check it without disturbing the setting. With the Vaquero you have to remember where the discrimination was set to knock out foil, turn the control back to all metal and begin hunting. When you receive a signal you then have to turn the control knob out of all metal to activate the discrimination mode an hope you turn it to the same spot on the dial where the foil was discriminated out. It probably isn’t so critical that it has to be exact but it is a bit cumbersome. I hope this answers you question. They are both great machines and I’d have a tough time picking one over the other.
Stan
 

I have the Eldorado, and love this machine. I have found stuff up to 12inches deep.
Its a dime magnetic, my ace doesn't get much use now.
 

I've been using Tesoro machines since the beginning and I think I understand them.

Tesoro detectors have from day one been mostly no-nonsense detectors. Some would argue that the DeLeon and Cortes are departures from this philosophy but I won't go there.

But the Vaquero and Eldorado (and others like the Bandido 2 uMax, Tejon, etc.) are definitely no-nonsense, maximum results, machines.

You get maximum depth and sensitivity via complete control of that which produces these results--mainly, the sensitivity and ground balance knobs.

Tesoros are basically 1980/90's technology. That's not all bad. During the 1980's to early 90's most of what really works in coin/ring hunting was developed. Since then the "new advanced technologies" are highly questionable as to their real worth (to put it mildly).

But all Tesoros (and most other brands) suffer from one serious problem. That problem is the tendency for the coil to not be perfectly matched to the detector electronics. The coil is the detector's antenna. The electronics is basically a combination transmitter and receiver (plus lots of added features). All transmitters must have a perfectly matched antenna in order to function to maximum potential.

The problem with Tesoros is there is no way FOR THE USER to manually keep the coil (antenna) tuned to the electronics. SOMETIMES this coil/electronics miss-match is what is behind statements like "my Eldorado gets 2 inches less than my Vaquero on a quarter."

The coil/electronics adjustment must be made by some knowledgeable person (it's an internal job).

Every year Tesoro lays out big bucks in labor and shipping costs because loads of people return their machines due to "poor depth." When they get their detectors back they usually say something like "WOW! it now gets 2-3 inch more depth!" Many times the reason being many are out of what the company calls "calibration." For factory preset detectors like the Silver uMax it's both coil/electronics balance plus ground balance.

The so-called "hot detectors" are simply detectors with near perfect matched coils. Some coils are not right from the factory and can never get great depth no matter how many times they're calibrated.

The most difficult part to make on a VLF is the coil. It's difficult in the sense that it must be absolutely precise. This precisness is needed due to micro mini power. We could say a detector is only as good as its coil.

This is one reason I love the Tesoro uMax 12x10 concentric coil. I've never gotten one that was "cold."

I just sent my Bandido in for a knob fix and with that the company highly recommended a "calibration." When she comes back she'll kick butt again for a long time. That is assuming I don't leave her in a mega hot car trunk for several days or drop her from the second floor window ;D

To date the only company to address the coil/electronics issue is Nautilus. All others have considered it too much for the average user.

So, getting poor depth? Maybe it's time for a "calibration?"
 

Great post Michigan Badger. Very informative. Steve.

P.S. I have a Vaquero ordered, it will be the first detector that I have ever had with a adjustable ground balance - I can't wait to it warms up and go over the same spots that I have hunted in the past & see if the Vaquero cleans up some more goodies.
 

SkiWhiz said:
Great post Michigan Badger. Very informative. Steve.

P.S. I have a Vaquero ordered, it will be the first detector that I have ever had with a adjustable ground balance - I can't wait to it warms up and go over the same spots that I have hunted in the past & see if the Vaquero cleans up some more goodies.

You'll be surprised. Ground balance makes a BIG difference.
 

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