Favorite Personal Cobs

[divewrecks]

Post what ya got. Here is one of my top 5. Off the Capitana. Note the aborted period shear cut.

Stan

 

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[divewrecks]

Oooops - missed the obverse side....

 

[Mackaydon]

Ahhh, nostalgia; I remember it well.
Don.........

 

[bradyboy]

Awesome, love the cobs

 

[karib2517]

yes that is a nice.

 

[divewrecks]

yes that is a nice.

Thanks Karib and Bradboy. Although not extremely rare, there were some excellent strikes recovered from the Capitana with what I consider a low loss due to corrosion damage. It sounds like Don (mackaydon) could elaborate as it seems he was involved with the recovery. I have two more I will post. I took pictures of all for Ernie Richards, publisher of Plus Ultra ("more beyond") newsletter. Here is a 1653E example...Stan

 

[divewrecks]

Here is the obverse of the previous coin. For some reason I am having trouble with multiple files. SD

 

[Mackaydon]

Dive Wreck:

The story of our recovery is well covered by one of my partner's, Dave Horner, in his book 'Shipwreck, a Gaga of Sea Tragedy and Sunken Treasure'; Sheridan House, NY. 1999.

Ponterio and Associates, Inc., San Diego (1-800-854-2888) prepared a great brochure for the auction of 'Capitana' coins for the 24th Chicago International Coin Fair in 1999. Within that catalogue is shown hundreds of pics of some of the coins we found. Also shown are the 8 different obverse images of the 1652 transitional coins and the 40+ images of the various countermarks we found--along with their rarity.

Those currently working the 'Capitana' may find Horners' book interesting reading and Ponterio's brochure especially helpful in ID-ing 'transitional' coins.

Another booklet of great value in researching transitional coins is Dr. Sewall H. Menzel's 'The Potosi Mint Scandal and Great Transition of 1652' (EN RADA Publications, POB 1698, West Palm Beach, Florida 33402-1698; Phone: 407-965-2930)
Don.....

 

[divewrecks]

Dive Wreck:

The story of our recovery is well covered by one of my partner's, Dave Horner, in his book 'Shipwreck, a Gaga of Sea Tragedy and Sunken Treasure'; Sheridan House, NY. 1999.

Ponterio and Associates, Inc., San Diego (1-800-854-2888) prepared a great brochure for the auction of 'Capitana' coins for the 24th Chicago International Coin Fair in 1999. Within that catalogue is shown hundreds of pics of some of the coins we found. Also shown are the 8 different obverse images of the 1652 transitional coins and the 40+ images of the various countermarks we found--along with their rarity.

Those currently working the 'Capitana' may find Horners' book interesting reading and Ponterio's brochure especially helpful in ID-ing 'transitional' coins.

Another booklet of great value in researching transitional coins is Dr. Sewall H. Menzel's 'The Potosi Mint Scandal and Great Transition of 1652' (EN RADA Publications, POB 1698, West Palm Beach, Florida 33402-1698; Phone: 407-965-2930)
Don.....

Thanks Don. I have all of the reference sources you mention. A worthy addition to anyone's treasure collection if you don't already have them. When you made the "nostalgia" reply earlier, maybe you were remembering the partially cut cob from the auction catalog. I aquired the cob prior to getting the catalog, so it was kind of cool seeing it in there. My next post will be a counterstamped coin with the bullseye assayer. Were many of these found?

I think the Capitana coins are some of the nicest shipwreck coins out there. Thanks for your help in bringing them up!

Stan

 

[Mackaydon]

Stan:
I don't recall the quantity of each type we found.
I'll assume the 'bullseye' assayer you're referring to is that of 'de Roas' on a 'shield' cob from 1649-1651; an 'O' with a dot in the middle.) I look forward to seeing your post of that coin and the counterstamp.
Don.....

 

[divewrecks]

Stan:
I don't recall the quantity of each type we found.
I'll assume the 'bullseye' assayer you're referring to is that of 'de Roas' on a 'shield' cob from 1649-1651; an 'O' with a dot in the middle.) I look forward to seeing your post of that coin and the counterstamp.
Don.....

That is correct as far as my evaluation of the coin. You or Trez correct me if I am missing something. I can read the 164_ part, so I am assuming the last digit, but it could probably only be a "9". Somewhere I have some notes where I researched the counterstamp. If I remember right I was not able to narrow it to one type. Maybe you can help. Pictures will follow sir. Again, thanks for helping to bring this wonderful treasure up.

Stan

 

[Mackaydon]

Stan:
With the "4" clearly visible, it has to be a 1649. The counterstamp appears to be Type "G", Rarity C-1. The "L" underneath the crown (and within the circle line)
is the key indicator of this type.
Don...

 

[divewrecks]

Stan:
With the "4" clearly visible, it has to be a 1649. The counterstamp appears to be Type "G", Rarity C-1. The "L" underneath the crown (and within the circle line)
is the key indicator of this type.
Don...

Don, thanks very much for the input. I will study my past research and the excellent analysis that was in the auction catalog. I feel lucky to have aquired these coins when I did. Thanks again for your involvement in this historical recovery.

Stan

 

[divewrecks]

Don, Trez, and everyone else. Would you please post pics of what you have that you consider good? I wanted this to become a "sticky" rather than private thread. Rock on. SD

 

[divewrecks]

Three coins from the Consolación, sunk in 1681 off Santa Clara Island, Ecuador. Potosi 1664E and 1673E (assayer Antonio de Ergueta), and 1678C (assayer Manuel de Cejas). Stan

 

[Mackaydon]

Stan:
Nice clear dates: congrats!!
Don.....

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Divewrecks, here's a few of mine.
1662 1 Real from the Santa Maria De La Consolacion, note the full date.
1739 8 Real from a private collection, Assayer, Vargas a very chunky 28g
I love the double strike on the Leon.
Cheers
Ossy

 

[divewrecks]

Thanks for the thumbs up Don.

Ossy, thanks for sharing - those are two nice coins. A triple dated 1R is rare from any wreck. I think the book on the Consolation that Seliger wrote a bunch of 1's were found under a small section of timbers. Perhaps that is what protected them from the abrasive sands anmd currents that seemed to attack many of the other coin holes accumulations found.

The 1739 Lima is also neat to me because I like chunky. According to Menzel assayer V (Jose de Vargas y Flor) coins weighed as little as 26.0g, so he must have felt generous (or remorseful) on the day your coin was struck. I love the double lions stamped neck and neck.

I am currently documenting some of my own collection for insurance purposes so I may post more. I always like to look at anyone else's (coins)<g>.

Stan

 

[divewrecks]

1697VR (Potosi 2R), 17XXJ (Guatemala 8R), 1732F (Mexico 8R) and 1767V (Potosi 8R)

Stan

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Thanks Stan for the info, I purchased the 1 Real from Bill Seliger and was very lucky he sold to me
as he wanted to keep it for his own collection.
I would love to see some more of your coins, Cheers
Ossy. PS, I noticed on the 8 real after taking the photo on macro, it has a very light scratched MB next to the bottom lion, what do you think ?