gettin shafted

[JWoodruff]

My hunting partner and I had kinda researched an area and had come up with a place to go. I found out who owned it and one evening he went to get us permission. A big No! Well he called me a few days later he had went back with an offering and gained permission, for himself! Never even mentioned me to the land owner said he'd have to gain his trust after several hunts then try to get me in. Thing is this is a huge encampment site never hunted, with permission- but only by those that were brave enough to sneak in. I feel he's going to do his best to hunt it out before trying to get me in. This isn't the first time he's done me this way. The first time was why I got out of it 20yrs ago. Maybe I'm just looking at it all wrong but I'm pretty ticked off. He had quit hunting until I called him after I got my new machine and got him interested again. Would have been different if it had been a solo deal but since we were both trying for that spot together its hard to swallow especially when he said I'll show you what I find....oh well move on I have a few more places to go that I've found that he knows nothing about not as good as that place tho....

 

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[olfacere]

If it's a pattern, then keep the machine and lose the friend. There will be more good places to hunt in the future and those will be yours.

 

[JWoodruff]

Yea this was a once in a lifetime opportunity tho. This camp covered many acres the property is prob 100 acres or more just outside one of the strongholds of town. Several undug firepits and all. The lands around this spot had many camps all of which have been picked over for 50+ years. This spot was in the same family for well over those 50 and they never let anyone on it the current owner has owned it for many years and never let anyone. I'm not really looking for the money of the relics but more for the history and the untold story of each artifact. I like to keep and display my finds I really never sell anything I find. But just to put it in monetary value 10s of thousands worth in the ground on that spot.

 

[Jason in Enid]

Yep, that sounds kinda crappy. Time will tell whether you friend actually tries to talk the owners into letting you hunt also.

 

[JWoodruff]

You are right, and I know he won't be able to dig it all....but I can dig scraps and leftovers anywhere...lol.

 

[shepcal]

Places to detect, there are many. You've learned a hard but good lesson; now learn your 'friends'. Shep

 

[63bkpkr]

JWoodrufF,
He may come back and surprise you and take you out there with him, who knows. We people choose to trust others and when that trust is abused it hurts. We learn a little from it each time but I encourage you to not distrust all people as that will only hurt you. Seems your fellow detectorist does not like himself and so he does this to others but it is the unseen part that he is doing to himself that he just does not understand, he's hurting himself more than any other person could possibly hurt him, IMO. I believe you have the right spirt, hang onto it and do some more research on your own and Good Hunting.........63bkpkr

 

[DiggItUp]

With all that land, there's no way he can get nearly even 25% of what's on it, especially only in a few hunts. Make him think your not mad, then when he takes you hit the site HARD. I have a little 1 acre lot that I've hunted maybe 10 times and it still produces silver! Don't get too discouraged. Extract the goods when you have the chance!

 

[JWoodruff]

I'm actually happy for him in a sense. Just me personally would have at least started it off with me and my partner, and led in to the whole if something happens a snake bite or broke leg then he will be there to get help or whatever. We've had good times since we started back which was just over a month ago he has even scored 500acres of land with several wagon roads and a few old homesites that we have exclusive hunting rights on. I'm not giving up on him completely I just know him enough to know that on this particular spot until he thinks all the "good" stuff is gone I'll not get on it. But I have a few good but not great spots on my radar some places that have good relics left. I don't mind hunting hunted out spots, one I keep finding myself going back to offers something everytime I go. May not give up much at any one time but I always come out of there with something. Was told by the land owner I'd never find anything 7 bullets and a cuff button off about 3-4acres got about 70 more there to hunt. So mayve a hidden treasure there yet. Gotta find a way to get deeper so I can really hunt out the breastworks on it. I don't think my AT is deep enough to find what's in the trenches. May try to get owner whose a personal friend of mine to let me bring a small tiller in and break it up some and remove four or so inches off the top. Who knows..

 

[FreeMindStuck]

Why didn't you go with your "friend" to get permission. And I'm not sure what's stopping you from approaching the property owner yourself and asking for permission? I live in a small town and have a hunting buddy of which we've approached the same people at different times and asked permission. Of course almost everybody knows everybody. If I were you I'd imbibe a little liquid courage and go ask for myself. If he said no, I'd offer to sell and/or split 50/50 anything valuable that I found. I bet your "friend" didn't offer the same terms. And if that didn't work I'd slander my "friend" to the property owner in some nefarious way so that he got kicked out. Lol All is fair in war and metal detecting!

 

[goldentruth]

My hunting partner and I had kinda researched an area and had come up with a place to go. I found out who owned it and one evening he went to get us permission. A big No! Well he called me a few days later he had went back with an offering and gained permission, for himself! Never even mentioned me to the land owner said he'd have to gain his trust after several hunts then try to get me in. Thing is this is a huge encampment site never hunted, with permission- but only by those that were brave enough to sneak in. I feel he's going to do his best to hunt it out before trying to get me in. This isn't the first time he's done me this way. The first time was why I got out of it 20yrs ago. Maybe I'm just looking at it all wrong but I'm pretty ticked off. He had quit hunting until I called him after I got my new machine and got him interested again. Would have been different if it had been a solo deal but since we were both trying for that spot together its hard to swallow especially when he said I'll show you what I find....oh well move on I have a few more places to go that I've found that he knows nothing about not as good as that place tho....

I would get a new hunting partner and one who has experience you both could share or get a nice looking gal who knows nothing and show her the ropes, It may be a improvement than lookin at some guys mug all day... lol

 

[JWoodruff]

I would get a new hunting partner and one who has experience you both could share or get a nice looking gal who knows nothing and show her the ropes, It may be a improvement than lookin at some guys mug all day... lol

My wife wouldn't agree with the getting a gal! Lol..she's not really into the detecting anyway and don't understand why I stay out all day instead of being home with her that would prob end badly for me....lol.
Anyway my 15 yr old will be my primary partner from now on.

 

[JWoodruff]

Why didn't you go with your "friend" to get permission. And I'm not sure what's stopping you from approaching the property owner yourself and asking for permission? I live in a small town and have a hunting buddy of which we've approached the same people at different times and asked permission. Of course almost everybody knows everybody. If I were you I'd imbibe a little liquid courage and go ask for myself. If he said no, I'd offer to sell and/or split 50/50 anything valuable that I found. I bet your "friend" didn't offer the same terms. And if that didn't work I'd slander my "friend" to the property owner in some nefarious way so that he got kicked out. Lol All is fair in war and metal detecting!

Im limited on time trying to balance my little bit of free time between the two babies, the fifteen yr old, and the wife then I have two other children that don't live with me and you get the picture. He went without my knowledge i wasnt expecting him to approach the guy but he did then called me and told me he said no. I started looking for another place to hunt. He called me a couple day later with the story of how he got permission. I'm not the type to sell him out I wish him luck. I have scored a hospital site that the owner says hasn't been hunted much if any so may not be as good but it'll be good....

 

[spartacus53]

I think the biggest problem is our usage of the word "friend"

That my good man is not a friend, but rather an acquaintance, and one I would drop in a heartbeat

 

[bill from lachine]

JWoodruff,

Spart hit the nail on the head.....with a friend it's a give and take thing.....appears this guy is a taker and not a giver...
maybe time to move on.

Regards + HH

Bill

 

[JWoodruff]

I have my son and I are hunting together for the most part. We dug 4 buttons today. The guy called to tell me he had dug 5 off that property this morning. Yea well I'm finding stuff to actually finding more without him then we did together. Go figure....

 

[CoilyGirl]

Yea this was a once in a lifetime opportunity tho. This camp covered many acres the property is prob 100 acres or more just outside one of the strongholds of town. Several undug firepits and all. The lands around this spot had many camps all of which have been picked over for 50+ years. This spot was in the same family for well over those 50 and they never let anyone on it the current owner has owned it for many years and never let anyone. I'm not really looking for the money of the relics but more for the history and the untold story of each artifact. I like to keep and display my finds I really never sell anything I find. But just to put it in monetary value 10s of thousands worth in the ground on that spot.

Sounds like you are into metal detecting for all the right reasons that draw most of us to the hobby.It sounds like your friend's heart is not in the right spot and he is greedy.If I were your partner and your true buddy I would say right off the bat that there would be two of us hunting.The waiting period of allowing just him to hunt for awhile sounds a little convoluted to me.

 

[dustytrails123]

Best thing is to have a mind blowing dig of a day and send him some pics or let him know and when he wants to know the site ...send him to a 90's or newer park lol

 

[JWoodruff]

He dug 5 excellent condition infantry buttons. He did one up me our buttons were poor reg ole eagle buttons. But this was a camp also and there are many more to be found!

 

[JWoodruff]

Also it was my sons first cw war relic. He found the first button. He was using our new mxt pro. I was using the at pro we got a deadly combo with these machines! The experience was great with my boy!