Help with age of silver ring

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Hey everybody I found this ring about a year ago on a farm that dates back Into the 1800s. My great great grandmother grew up on this farm. Descendants of the family still own the farm today it sits on the Rapidan river near Fredericksburg va. Can anyone tell me how old it is. On the inside it says CHJ with a hard to read hallmark and 925 and on the other side it has a box with Ireland stamped in it. Had a hard time getting close up shots of the inside. I would love to be able to tie this to my family. 20151003_182415.webp20151003_182327.webp
 

I think 925 leans to more modern.
 

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from what I have been told .925 started around the 1900s.
 

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Hi. I'm new so not sure of etiquette etc so I hope I don't tread on any toes!! Forgive me if I do.
The CNJ mark on silver was first used on April 4 2006. Sorry to say, but it is not old/connected to your earlier relatives. It may have been lost by a family member living on the farm today, but it's not old. [emoji257]


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Well first off... it shows a "Rampant Lion"... which is heraldic symbol.
With that said... I would assume its a heraldic ring. IMO
 

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Having seen the second bit of your reply, may I say that the inclusion of the Lion Rampant on any item does not have any reference to heraldry in these times. People can - and do - use such designs without any connection at all to its original use/meaning. For example, the Fleu de lye is seen on thousands of brand labels and the vast majority of people have no knowledge as to its 'name', use or history.
The ring shown is extremely common in England and Ireland as a gents signet ring and is just a 'design' that has no meaning any more. [emoji257]


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Just a type description...
No way to tell if this is actual to family tie...
This is repop.

PS> Hooded knight and Rampant lion combo is a sorta "generic" Heraldic / crest / coat of arms sorta design IMO.
 

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The 'Lion Rampant' is a few hundred years before the 1800's and does not denote a 'family bloodline'. Certainly not one that is still traceable. I'm no expert but I do know that it predates the Domesday Book. About 1100 was when it was first used in Britain. Originating from Normandy/France prior to that. It was - and still can be - used to make a heraldic 'coat of arms' which is actually like a statement of sorts. Denoting things such as name, allegiance, place etc. No 'family' in ancient Europe (as its now called) would have had it as a standalone symbol. It would have been given to a knight. One, single, solitary, man. His family were not given it. The individual man was. Who that first man was, and IF he had any descendants who earned the right to continue carrying that particular symbol, is impossible to trace. You would need the birth certificates dating from circa 900AD up to the finder of this ring, to prove he was even loosely related to the family who had a male relative that was awarded this as his and his alone. Nobody can do that. Despite all early sources of information/records, nobody can say with 100% certainty who found America first, let alone who the descendants of him are.
Despite our own English records of heraldry, we are not able to give individual symbols their first recipient. The Royal family do not have a single symbol, so I think there is a way to tell if this belonged to a family living today, or not. And that is.....it is Not.


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Thanks for the info, I know nothing about silver hallmarks or the age. I thought maybe it was from the 1930s or later
 

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Hi OP :0)
I hope my 'tone' was not disrespectful in any way. It sounds a bit brash when I read it back!?! I was trying to compact everything and I've been told it sounds rather sharp when I try to condense things. Hope it's helped and not harmed in any. [emoji257]


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Hi OP :0)
I hope my 'tone' was not disrespectful in any way. It sounds a bit brash when I read it back!?! I was trying to compact everything and I've been told it sounds rather sharp when I try to condense things. Hope it's helped and not harmed in any. [emoji257]


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No harm DizzyRose I didn't think sounded disrespectful
 

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No harm DizzyRose I didn't think sounded disrespectful

Thanks. I tend to be abrupt rather than rambling and don't always get it rite. Tis hard for me to 'chat' online as I cannot give or receive any voice tone, facial expressions or simple body language clues and I rely a lot on such things. Glad all is well. :0)


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