HI Folks; Question What are Your opinions on an Open Discussion ----

[BARKER]

between myself and Alexandre or any Archaeologist. It would be a Treasure Hunter vs Archaeologist "FRIENDLY", "OBJECTIVE" type discussion regarding all the various topics related to the differences that exist between both Fields with you guys as an Observing Audience with the option of voicing your "OBJECTIVE" opinions on each aspect being discussed?? I think it would be a lively. to say the least, debate. For me, although I DO have an amount of respect for the Work that Archaeologists do I think that there are just as many wrongs they commit in their zeal as well and their effects upon us along with any possible Resolutions that may avail themselves to us as a whole. My intent is to try to get to the bottom of these wrongs. Their causes and any possible Resolutions they may avail themselves to us all. What say you ?? I await your replies. PEACE:RONB

 

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[Dick Stout]

After many years of trying I have come to the conclusion that it's a total waste of time. They are not at all interested in working with the detectorist.

DS
www.stoutstandards.com

 

[bigscoop]

After many years of trying I have come to the conclusion that it's a total waste of time. They are not at all interested in working with the detectorist.

DS
www.stoutstandards.com

I don't know if I believe that in convincing fashion just yet. I think there are a lot of internal issues that come into play that prevents many of them from stepping forward to openly discussing the possibilities even though they would like to.

 

[lostcauses]

Archeologist will want only a few things from the ("Amateur" historian or archeologist): Information on were sites are, and some one to collect data for them with out paying and doing a field survey. They want your information.

 

[bigscoop]

The problem with these discussions is that they never involve voices from the "general" archeological community. just a few of the intent-active hardliners who want to rule it all with an iron fist and fear the type of progress that could, and should be made.

 

[Graddick]

The problem with these discussions is that they never involve voices from the "general" archeological community. just a few of the intent-active hardliners who want to rule it all with an iron fist and fear the type of progress that could, and should be made.

True. All you'll get from either side are hardliners. The rest of us have better things to do than get into internet arguments.

 

[BARKER]

HI Folks; Thanks for your input so far. A few things here ok.

To Barnum : I can definitely understand your angst in this matter.

TO BigScoop : I believe your right as well. I believe the root cause could be or is called Peer Pressure.

TO lostcauses : I agree but only to an extent because that is exactly what NO ONE here has to give them at all. They want my sites then "PAY ME". I wouldn't give it to them anyway. That is not my intent here anyway.

To BigScoop : That is the idea. To present them with an open door so to speak where they could voice their opinions without fear of Reprisals or anything like that.

To Graddick : I must disagree. I'm a die hard Treasure Hunter but I am open to learning every day. I can also match wits with the best of them. Also as I said before; that this would be an open debate or discussion. NOT an argument. If yuo choose not to participate that's fine ok. Thanks.


PEACE:RONB

 

[Smudge]

I have never seen any reason to believe they are in any way interested in an open and honest discussion. We are scum in their eyes. They think we loot history before they can properly excavate a site and then start selling their finds on the black market.

Oops.

Did i just say that?

 

[lostcauses]

BARKER
If archeologist want to post here they could. They might get bit at some. Yet by the same, we could also go and post to some of their boards. Dont expect to last long there.

 

[BARKER]

HI lostcauses; Yep, I know what your saying is true. Difference here is they are being directly challenged by me. Could be interesting. I've also noticed that not one Archie has replied to my Posted Challenge. I'm still waiting. Anyway, I have to go take care of some personal matters. My kid is calling. so I'll be back on tomorrow night ok PEACE:RONB

 

[deepskyal]

I think open discussions should be open.

An open discussion should come without bias and the ability to intelligently understand each others position without a predetermined mindset that one is going to trash the others ideals. Preconcieved ideas of ones tenets generally destroy the ability to negotiate an issue.
A lot of folks on here have a deep-seated dislike of archeologists based on the Archeology Act that was put in place by the powerful lobbyists in the industry. There is also a group of archeologists that are like us, not necessarily agreeing with the "old-school" hardliners. These would be the freethinkers that we could have an "open" discussion with. We too have freethinkers that would be open to discussing and enlightening them in hopes of creating a mutually benificial working arrangement without us having to compromise our hobby.

I've been a pretty stubborn person for a lot of years but have also been open minded and in a few situations actually been persuaded to change my beliefs based on ideas unknown to me previously.

We know, at least I hope most know, that the Archeological Act was imposed not against us as a direct affront to our hobby, but as a tool to stop the unscrupulous grave diggers, many of which are certified archeologists and others being profit seekers.

I'm certain that any one of us stumbling across a nationally significant site would have the morals to report the site. Say we stumble across a previously unknown cemetary in the woods of revolutionary solders. This is the type of site we dare not keep secret. On the other hand, an old lumber camp where there is just a smattering of relics and a few odd coins or a small cache, there is nothing so significant that we should be barred from exploring with our detectors and keeping what we find.

These topics would make for a good open discussion and I believe most detectorist would be willing to intelligently discuss our position on this.

Al

 

[bigscoop]

deepskyal,
Excellent post, and very true. Most archeologist I've spoken with on this in private could care less about most of the isolated, insignificant or redundant finds. However, newly discovered sites need to be protected and evaluated before they are trashed to a point that a proper archeological protocol/process can be administered. Yes, there will always be hardliners actively lobbying for an all-out ban on metal detecting and the removal of anything, just as there will always be hunters who are going to care less about laws and how their actions might effect the important works of others. As it stands the hardliner lobbyist are winning the battle simply because it's been easy for them to win those battles, and that has been mainly due to the absence of a "constructive voice" within, and from, our community. If that doesn't change, and soon, then our future is looking pretty bleak. In recent times a few important battles have been won, but the problem is that "they were battles" that ultimately only serve to cause added bitterness and resentment and the need/deisre for more battles.

 

[BARKER]

HI deepskyal; Thank you very much. You hit the nail on the head. You have stated very nicely what I have been getting at all along. It is those "Free Thinkers" that I want to reach. I realize that even y also have their own Protocols but I do not believe it would prevent us from having a meaningful and active discussion. Again, Thanks.

To Bigscoop; Yep, your right. It is hoped that with the advent of any type of 'open' discussions there would be less "need" for these types of Battles even though I realize that battles of all types and sizes have existed since the Dawn of Time. Maybe there will be a few less. Anyway, thank you.
PEACE:RONB