Hopewell Blade & Adena Dickson Acquisitions: ID Help

[OntarioArch]

These two pieces were also acquired from a "somewhere in Ohio" Old Timer collection. The 3.25 inch, cream-colored blade I am guessing is a Hopewell Blade. Its large, broad corner notches that lead into an expanding stem, and its eliptical cross section, are both characteristics consistent with this type. But it does not have a broad, excurvate blade, nor is the base convex. Do you have any other Types I should be looking at to properly ID this handsome piece? And any help on identifying the chert is appreciated, too.

The second piece is a 3 inch hunk of beautiful jaspar, I would say, and the slightly contracting, rounded stem has me thinking Adena variant. Maybe Adena Dickson. Likely re-sharpened.

I appreciate any input!

 

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[Relicgrubber]

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[Tdog]

The cream colored piece reminds me of Benton (stemmed) rather than Hopewell. The jasper piece I'd say is Adena but hesitant calling it the Dickson variety primarily due to the basal configuration. Dickson stems I've observed are typically contracting but with a flat, straight base. Nice pieces.

 

[Older The Better]

In the Snyder’s cluster you could look at stuben or Gibson, I have a book; recommended on this site actually, that says they all may be the same blade (hopewell included)at various states of resharpening.

 

[OntarioArch]

The cream colored piece reminds me of Benton (stemmed) rather than Hopewell. The jasper piece I'd say is Adena but hesitant calling it the Dickson variety primarily due to the basal configuration. Dickson stems I've observed are typically contracting but with a flat, straight base. Nice pieces.

Interesting....I'm studying Bentons now....

 

[OntarioArch]

In the Snyder’s cluster you could look at stuben or Gibson, I have a book; recommended on this site actually, that says they all may be the same blade (hopewell included)at various states of resharpening.

Gonna study it. Thanks!

 

[Older The Better]

Here’s the graphic in the book for what it’s worth
Found a second one

 

[newnan man]

Good looking points.

 

[OntarioArch]

Dang. The jasper 'Adena' in this OP has been on the back of my mind for the past few weeks. Told myself that the next time I got out my microscope, I would re-look at it. Why? Well, it doesn't share overall morphology with any Adena I've ever seen. Blade is too pointed, triangular. Base not quite right. Doesn't seem to share overall morphology with any recognized Type.
It's too easy to write these anomalies off as 're-sharpened.' An experienced collector once advised me to ask: Is the point morphologicaly consistent in form and outline with other known types showing the same typology? This one is not.
See attached image at 10X. Black streaking quite evident. Modern, metalic tool marks I'm told. So I'm glad I identified this re-chip and removed it from my display case. And I'm a bit wiser now. There aren't any new 'Types' showing up.

 

[antmike915]

That sucks, do you have any info how it was found (field, creek, digging)? I have one I found in the past in a field that has a metal mark possibility from farm equipment.

 

[Buckleberry]

These two pieces were also acquired from a "somewhere in Ohio" Old Timer collection. The 3.25 inch, cream-colored blade I am guessing is a Hopewell Blade. Its large, broad corner notches that lead into an expanding stem, and its eliptical cross section, are both characteristics consistent with this type. But it does not have a broad, excurvate blade, nor is the base convex. Do you have any other Types I should be looking at to properly ID this handsome piece? And any help on identifying the chert is appreciated, too.

The second piece is a 3 inch hunk of beautiful jaspar, I would say, and the slightly contracting, rounded stem has me thinking Adena variant. Maybe Adena Dickson. Likely re-sharpened.

I appreciate any input!

Very nice pieces, the large cream could be Hopewell IMO, and I have a large personal find Adena made from a very similar lithic, found In Ohio where my fields are,(Ill post it when I get chance), that I believe is made from Flint Ridge white variation chert.

I've been to Nether's farm, where you can gather Flint Ridge materials and there is plenty of that color of chert there, it is not all colorful like you see normally attributed to Flint ridge, certainly Steve Valentine would be a better person to evaluate these pieces, but i haven't seen him on here much.

I've also found jasper pieces like the Adena style, but never anything near as large as that. I assume they are knapped from large river cobbles, as I know of no source.

 

[OntarioArch]

That sucks, do you have any info how it was found (field, creek, digging)? I have one I found in the past in a field that has a metal mark possibility from farm equipment.

Purchased as part of old timer's collection: no true provenance at all.