Land wanted

[MD Dog]

hey everyone I'm from Western NY and am looking for land in NW I already have properties in NE,SE and looking to expand my empire seriously wife and I looking for retirment locals that offer lotsa treasure hunting possibilities. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

 

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[TreasureTales]

Most Westerners don't like Easterners moving into our territory. First thing you need to do is drop the term "empire' from your vocabulary. Then you need to read the history of the West and why we don't like Easterners. Then and only then should you venture into the NW for land. BTW, Nevada is not in the NW. It's part of the Great Basin - so do some homework. Hey, just kidding - sort of. Nothing like rankling folks with your Eastern attitude. If you want to move to the NW, you need to first learn which states are part of the NW.

Washington is very wet, Nevada is very dry. Oregon is very green, Nevada is very gray and brown. Utah is very white and red (I am not referring to skin colors but rather soil colors). And California is the color of concrete and pavement. Idaho is growing fast, so forget moving there unless you like subdivisions popping up on the edge of town. And Arizona and New Mexico are so hispanic you might think about learning Spanish as your primary language. Nevada is the fastest growing state in the country. The northern part is sparsely populated, and for good reason - very dry and very cold in the winter. The southern part of Nevada is growing fast and some good money can still be made there if you buy soon. But do us Westerners a favor and stay put.

 

[jeff of pa]

Treasure Tales

You Scared me with that first Paragraph :P

I almost deleted your post, without reading Fruther

 

[OldBillinUT]

Underbear Southern AZ is a good spot in the winter. Are you planning to be permanent or snowbird ? Some places the population can swell many multiples in the winter months. You can find minerals, gems and meteorites in AZ and the cost of living is pretty low. Compared to NY state it looks like it dried up and died. But it's not at all uncommon to have citrus trees in a residential yard it's nice to be able to go out and pick a fresh orange or a grapefruit.

 

[MD Dog]

First off TT You can relax I won't buy any land near enough to you to bother you--------Much ! Secondly I'm originally from Colorado and my wife is from California. Thirdly if your bothered by the word empire how about domain or best yet, my dynasty. seriously though I travel from one place to the next and quite often only stay for one or two months at the most. So how much trouble could I be. Or is it a competition thing, you worried I'll find all the treasure in Nevada and take it back east. Also I'd like to point out that since one place I own is in Fla. and that's what qualified the great state of Nevada in my mind as NW. And lastly you can relax because I just bought a 300 acre parcel of land near Jackson Wyoming, because my realtor said it would be worth five times what a similar peice of property in just about any other western state will be worth in five years. So I no longer wish to be your neihbor, but I still might come find all the treasure, but now I'll only have to transport it to WY.
P.S. I've included my photo so you'll know me if you see me out there.

 

[TreasureTales]

Is that you in the poster on the wall?

Hey, you can't go wrong with land in Jackson, Wyoming. It used to be beautiful there until all the snooty folks from elsewhere bought up land and pushed out the native Wyomans. Oh wait, I think there is one native Wyoman still in Jackson - Gerry Spence. LOL

Seriously bear, you might not find treasure, but you've undoubtedly got a piece of heaven. Don't screw it up, OK?

 

[MD Dog]

OK TT I'll try not to spoil the natural beauty by planting and growing landscape trees. Oh I forgot to tell you that's what I do. Yes I do build homes on the properties I buy but only for my wife and I as well as a care taker and we build bunk houses for a crew that work for me and travel to my properties for upkeep and harvesting. But I promise to sternly instruct them all on cherishing our natural wonders.

 

[TreasureTales]

OK TT I'll try not to spoil the natural beauty by planting and growing landscape trees. Oh I forgot to tell you that's what I do. Yes I do build homes on the properties I buy but only for my wife and I as well as a care taker and we build bunk houses for a crew that work for me and travel to my properties for upkeep and harvesting. But I promise to sternly instruct them all on cherishing our natural wonders.

That's a good start. Hey I'm good at planting and maintaining trees, how about a job?

 

[MD Dog]

Your just hittin on me cause of the picture aren't you ? Honestly if you need the work PM me and we'll talk.

 

[TreasureTales]

Your just hittin on me cause of the picture aren't you ? Honestly if you need the work PM me and we'll talk.

Hitting on you? You're a guy and I'm a guy - but just because I live fairly close to San Francisco does not mean I'm hitting on you. LOL I've been yanking your chain because I thought you were an Easterner. Since you are originally from Colorado, I guess you know how much damage the big city folks can do to the small town atmosphere of the West. It's a dying culture so I am trying to defend it whenever possible. As far as the job, I'm a little too worn out to be working anymore - but I do sincerly appreciate the consideration. Thank you. I am a bit jealous, I admit, that you can buy up land all over the country like you do. I'd be happy with 40 acres and a mule. LOL

Have a great life in Wyoming, it's still a beautiful state.

 

[MD Dog]

Jeesh TT, like I said relax, I was joking about you hitting on me I was just trying to lighten the conversation . As far as I know, no matter what a persons age they still need to eat, so I never turn a person who might honestly be looking for work away, no matter their age, sex, nationality, or religion or sexual preference. 8) As far as being jealous about my life, I know it's not the same as diggin ditches, but believe me when I say I have worked very hard for everything I have, and didn't have a rich inheritance. I in fact worked for the Federal govt. after six years of service in the Army. While employed for our Uncle Sam, I was Injured and forced into an early medical retirement. And yes I too have heard about the wonderful benefits that are so graciously and abundantly heaped upon us prior fed. employees, however they apparently don't apply to me I got a small settlement and a 50% pension.
What I did for them I can't get into but What I got in return certainly wasn't enough to live on for the rest of my life. My wife had to go to work and I started doing what I could which included light gardening which by the grace of God led to my wealth. And I don't care how old and tired some one is, If you've got ten years left you can still live a good life if your willing to try. But most people sit back and say it won't happen to them, or it won't work for them, or, or, or. People always have an excuse for not doing it. I do by the way have a hard time keeping people on my payroll, because once they work with me for a couple years and they see it being done and working then they start to think maybe it will work for them too. I know of three ex employees who are now millionairs because they are doing the same thing they learned with me. Many of the other ex employees are also doing very well doing this. So don't be jealous, be busy.

 

[TreasureTales]

You may not believe this, but your philosophy actually sounds a lot like mine.

I'm not jealous of your LIFE, I said I was a little jealous about all the land you own. And I was only joking... I wouldn't want to pay the property taxes. LOL

You have a landscape tree operation in California? Where? Maybe I've seen it.

Many years ago I planted several thousand trees in a burned out area of a national forest as a volunteer, I learned how to plant bareroot seedlings fast and properly. It's something everyone should try at least once, the scenery alone was worth the effort. I would have enjoyed doing that type of work for a living, at least for awhile. The mountainsides can be pretty hard on the knees, especially mine. But what a great way to stay in shape. I was very fit during that time.

 

[MD Dog]

No I don't own any property in Cal. I said my wife was from Cal. And your right, I wouldn't but property in Cal because of the tax rates there. I don't buy land, for more than $1000.00 an acre, and I doubt you'll find anything but pure sand desert in Cal. for that much. This also help to rejuvinate what alot of people refer to as waste land. Because most people don't want land that has been stripped bare for one reason or another. It's also true that you said you were jelous of my ability to buy land all over the place and not my life, but you fail to recognize that is my life. I think my business and my life are one in the same. Nothing makes me feel more alive than to take a barren patch of earth and bring it to life and use again.

P.S. We use machines to both plant and harvest now days, My knees are way too old as well.

 

[TreasureTales]

No I don't own any property in Cal. I said my wife was from Cal. And your right, I wouldn't but property in Cal because of the tax rates there. I don't buy land, for more than $1000.00 an acre, and I doubt you'll find anything but pure sand desert in Cal. for that much. This also help to rejuvinate what alot of people refer to as waste land. Because most people don't want land that has been stripped bare for one reason or another. It's also true that you said you were jelous of my ability to buy land all over the place and not my life, but you fail to recognize that is my life. I think my business and my life are one in the same. Nothing makes me feel more alive than to take a barren patch of earth and bring it to life and use again.

P.S. We use machines to both plant and harvest now days, My knees are way too old as well.

So do you have to have water on your land to begin with, or do you drill deep wells for getting the water the trees need to get established? When I did the hand planting, we used Jeffery Pines because they are native to the area and therefore didn't need watering if we planted them in the late spring when the ground was still moist. I've actually gone back to where I did the plantings and check on the trees' progress every couple years or so. I feel kinda like their dad. LOL I'm not a tree hugger, but I do respect them. I have to say though, that I've lost some affection for madrones now that I've lived with them for several years. They are messy suckers.

Pure sand desert land in California for $1,000/acre? Not even. The Desert Protection Act and subsequent National Park (or whatever it is called now) has made private desert land even scarcer. Supply and demand, ya know. Even the worst waste land in the desert has value now. It's amazing.

Well, you and your wife got your work cut out for you trying to decide which log house design you want to build on your 300 acres of Wyoming land. Be sure to build a large display room for all your treasures!!! Happy hunting.

 

[MD Dog]

We do try to stay with native species if they are in demand, or reasonable facsimile or trees that can adapt. And no we don't drill wells other than for home sites. we do have portable systems we can set up if needed but that is rare because we choose our trees carefully and also keep an eye to the weather patterns as well as historical weather factors.
As far as a log cabin, been there done that. Now days I think green and will probably build a hay bale structure for main and caretakers houses.
barracks barn and stables all get pole building.
Dad to a tree huh ? Now that's out there TT So how are the kids ? Good thing you wont have to send any to college.
I'm not a tree hugger either, In fact I really don't know all that much about them. All I do is plant what the nurseries tell me are selling. Since landscaping has become so popular lately the demand for more and more varieties is why I have to expand to the west. Trying to grow lodge pole or red cedar in the east is difficult at best. Now they tell me that Giant sequoias are hot so we'll see. Just to clarify I have several master gardeners and Arbhorists I hire on a routine basis, for advisory purposes. you keep the suny side up yourself TT

 

[OldBillinUT]

Jackson is one pretty place UB I lived there the Summer of 69. We camped at Jenny Lake while building a golf course. I can dig and ball trees pretty well but haven't done that work for a long time. Do you use a mechanical digger to harvest yours ?

 

[MD Dog]

yeah Bill we have to because of the size,weight and volume of trees we sell. I hear from some tree huggers that I'm doing harm by using heavy equipment for planting and harvest but the damage they claim we do with soil compaction is minimal at best and certainly offset by the airation from our tree roots and soil reclamation. As far as the pretty land around Jackson, well what can I say other than yep sure is pretty.

 

[OldBillinUT]

Hey UB I had an afterthought and wanted to mention it before I forgeet agin. The state holds trust land auctions here. They reserve the mineral rights but that wouldn't bother your type of operation. Here is a link to a list of the next group of properties:

http://www.utahtrustlands.com/surface/landSales.asp

 

[MD Dog]

Thanks Bill, But I try to only buy land once a year, Because I am still a small operation, compared to some guys with 5-10,000 acres. It takes the better part of that year just to get ready to plant the following spring. And todate the Jackson Wyoming property will be our biggest yet. I now total 900 acres. But there's only me who's physically broken, My wife (country girl, strong back, tough as a mule)Our crew of twelve, and a caretaker we will hire locally once we've got a home built and trees planted. I'll keep the info on file for maybe next year though thanks again.

 

[treasurejack]

"So"...(clearing my throat)...."you own lots of land"....(scratching my chin)..."I just had a good thought"....(index finger snapping your way, head tipped back, one eye squinting).."I'm thinking you need a metal detecting guy on your staff."

PS: "I'm available!"