Need a little help with options on the old bandido

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I have the bandido that was made before the conversion to the uMax style and it is the one that takes two 9 volts batteries and is mounted under the rod. I was wondering what frequency it runs on and also what other styles of coils besides the brown stock concentric will work on this particular older model. Thanks in advanced, Tim
 

If it is the Bandido II, with the plastic box, it operates at a freq. of 10khz. You can use ALL uMax coils on it. I have one and also a DeLeon. I got the 5.75 inch uMax coil and the big 12x18 uMax that will interchange on BOTH machines.
The Bandido II is an EXCELLENT machine. It is so good that the big problem will be to NOT set the Sens too high. A good setting to start with for coin, jewelry, etc. is put the Disc between the "o" and "i" in the word "Foil". The Sens. at about 5.5 or 6. Also, select "auto tune" then when you're "Xing" the target in Disc, the center point will continue to get smaller and that will help you to accurately pinpoint. It requires very little movement of the coil to get a target reaction. If you keep "Xing" until the target "disappears", just hold the coil a couple of feet off of the ground and flip the switch to "Retune". That will get it back to the adjustment you started with. I normally pinpoint in Disc. because it's sharper and the pinpoint is smaller (as pointed out above). I only use All Metal to outline the target to see how big it is. No need to dig a target on a school ground the size of a dinner plate, is there? LOL

You must get the machine properly ground adjusted. Everything you do will be tied to the accurate ground adjustment. If you don't have the owner's manual for the Bandido II, go the the Tesoro website and download a copy. It's free.

The Bandido II is an excellent relic machine, too. Set it to All Met., Disc. at it's lowest setting (just in case. LOL) and the Sens as high as you can run it without making it unstable. Again, Ground Balancing it is very important. It isn't hard to do; just a half minute or less.
 

Thanks shortstack. I tried to find out some information on tesoros site but did not get too far on this older bandido of mine. Glad to hear that about the coils because I want one of the widescan coils for field hunting. I thought about the 12X10 concentric but am leaning towards a widescan style. I really like the older machines for some reason. Here is mine and I believe yours was the model made after this one. Let me know, Tim
 

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Hey Tim, SkyPilot here.

You're correct, his did come out after yours, but they are still interchangeable.

ShortStack is spot on with his information! :thumbsup:

The only ones that won't work are the Vaquero and the Tejon coils (or any of the water machine coils).

Here is a link to the original Bandido manual, if you still want to read it: http://www.tesoro.com/info/manuals/older/bandido/

Hope this helps!

Regards

SkyPilot
 

Sky Pilot said:
Hey Tim, SkyPilot here.

You're correct, his did come out after yours, but they are still interchangeable.

ShortStack is spot on with his information! :thumbsup:

The only ones that won't work are the Vaquero and the Tejon coils (or any of the water machine coils).

Here is a link to the original Bandido manual, if you still want to read it: http://www.tesoro.com/info/manuals/older/bandido/

Hope this helps!

Regards

SkyPilot



Thanks SkyPilot!!!! Yep that helped alot!!! I saw the specs right there where you posted the link!!!! I once had a silver sabre 2 and an ederly friend of mine wanted to buy it. I sold it to him for 125.00 on the basis that a couple of years later, I would buy it back from him. Well about 3 years later I looked him up to see if he was done with it so I could buy it back and he told me someone broke into his house and stole it plus alot of other stuff from him. Man my heart just dropped to the ground. I hated he got broken into terribly bad, but I believe I hated the fact of my silver sabre 2 was gone forever even more!!! I sold him another machine cause he was looking for one but I still miss that silver sabre 2. I got ahold of this a little while back at a real good price and am not going to let this bandido slip away. I am glad to know that the coils are interchangeable too!!!!! I talked to tesoro once before over the phone when I had a conquistador and was considering the newer 9X8 concentric coil for it at the time. Tesoro told me that there was hardly any difference between the older brown concentric and their newer open styled concentric. I am leaning towards one of the wide scan coils. Have any of you guys tried a wide scan coil? Did anyone who has tried a wide scan notice any considerable loss of depth in your detecting style or was depth about the same? Thanks Tim
 

If it is the Bandido II, with the plastic box, it operates at a freq. of 10khz. You can use ALL uMax coils on it. I have one and also a DeLeon. I got the 5.75 inch uMax coil and the big 12x18 uMax



Hey Shortstack, I been loooking for the 12X18 but no luck...........Did you happen to mean 12X10? Thanks Tim
 

Hi, Tim!

Here is the info (straight from Tesoro's site) that explains how the "concentric" and "widescan" designs work and how they differ.
The URL is at the bottom, if you decide to go there and check it out! :thumbsup:
I'm almost positive ShortStack was referring to the 12" X 10" coil, a feller would need training wheels on a 12" X 18", LOL!!

P.S. I printed it here rather than just posting the URL, because I think it can help others also! :thumbsup:

There are two main types of searchcoils currently on the market – the concentric and the widescan.

The concentric coil uses two round antennas, one inside the other. This coil is used on most detectors that are designed for coin, jewelry, and relic hunting. Concentric coils discriminate very well and pinpoint very easily because the strongest signal is always in the center of the coil.

Widescan coils use two D-shaped antennas that are placed back to back. Because of this configuration, they are also called “double-d” coils. The widescan coil is less affected by mineralization than the concentric, so it is generally used for gold prospecting or relic hunting in bad ground. Pinpointing is done with the heel or toe of the coil. After determining the type of coil that is best for your type of hunting, the next thing to consider is the size.

There are many different sizes of coils available and each one may fine tune your hunting but only if you get the correct size. Larger coils go deeper than smaller coils but only on larger targets. When using a large coil, you may lose sensitivity to small targets. A large coil is also more susceptible to masking. Masking happens in the discriminate mode when a good target and junk target are both under the coil at the same time. If the targets are close enough together, the bad target will be discriminated out, and at the same time, the detector will not be able to pick up the good target. Masking is very common in junky playgrounds and in-and-around old house sites. Smaller coils will concentrate the signal and make the detector more sensitive to the little targets. Unfortunately, smaller coils tend to lose depth when compared to their larger cousins. Being that these coils don‘t have as wide a search pattern, they are also less likely to mask targets in trashy hunting situations.

The 9x8 and the 12x10 are spoked coils that use Sinusoidal Technology. This technology creates a detection bubble that works from the center of the coil to beyond its edges. These coils produce an infinite number of electromagnetic flux lines, which surround the coil and penetrate deep into the ground. As targets pass through the bubble, they start interfering with or breaking the flux lines. The detector reads the interruption of flux lines and a signal is produced. When you saturate the ground with these flux lines, you're guaranteed better sensitivity to smaller targets and more depth on larger targets.

The Clean Sweep (18" by 3.6") uses widescan technology to provide tip-to-tip sensitivity. A wider detecting sweep means less time over unproductive ground and more time finding the goodies you want. The widescan design resists changes in mineralization.

Another style, the Printed Spiral, is made only by Tesoro for use with pulse induction circuitry. It offers good sensitivity to a broader range of target sizes and improved sensitivity to less conductive targets such as fine gold chains.

Knowing where you are going to hunt and what you are hunting for will go a long way in helping you choose the right coil for your needs. A larger coil is needed when hunting in a clean area or when hunting for relics that may tend to be deeper. A small coil will help find the smaller targets such as gold nuggets or fine jewelry or can be used when coin & jewelry hunting extremely trashy sites.

All searchcoils are electrostatically shielded and waterproof. See your nearest Authorized Tesoro Dealer for more information.

Long Cable = (LC) - Approx. 8 foot length, Short Cable = (SC) - Approx. 3.5 foot length
Coils–Standard (µMax models) Cable Price Scuff
3x18" Widescan (COIL-3x18W-LW-LITE; includes lower pole & scuff) (LC) $199 $16
3x18" Widescan (COIL-3x18W-SW-LITE; includes lower pole & scuff) (SC) $199 $16
4" Round Concentric (COIL-4RC-SW) (SC) $89 $6
5.75" Round Concentric (COIL-5.75C-SW; includes scuff) (SC) $99 $8
7" Round Widescan (COIL-7RW-SW) (SC) $89 $8
8" Round Concentric (COIL-RC-LB) (LC) $99 $8
8" Round Concentric (COIL-RC-SB) (SC) $99 $8
8½" Round Widescan (COIL-8.5RW-LW) (LC) $89 $8
9" x 8" Concentric (COIL-9x8C-LW) (LC) $139 $12
9" x 8" Concentric (COIL-9x8C-SW) (SC) $139 $12
11" Round Widescan (COIL-11RW-LW) (LC) $99 $14
12" x 10" Concentric (COIL-12x10C-SW) (SC) $159 $22.95
9 x 8 white scuffs may or may not be textured and need to match the surface of your coil. 9 x 8 black scuffs are also available.

Your local dealer will be better able to get a price for you, of course.

Or you can browse their page here: http://www.tesoro.com/product/coils/


Hope this helps!

Regards
SkyPilot
 

bigtim1973 said:
If it is the Bandido II, with the plastic box, it operates at a freq. of 10khz. You can use ALL uMax coils on it. I have one and also a DeLeon. I got the 5.75 inch uMax coil and the big 12x18 uMax

Hey Shortstack, I been loooking for the 12X18 but no luck...........Did you happen to mean 12X10? Thanks Tim

Yes Sir. I meant 12x10. Guess I was thinking about those 3x18's and hit the wrong key. Sorry. I normally use the "stock" 8 inch coil for most hunts, but wanted the 12x10 more for relic hunting and the 5.75 for tight use around metal poles, etc. All of these coils work on the Bandido II AND my DeLeon. So, if I'm feeling a little lazy and want a turn-on and go with a TID display I'll still have the full spread of coils.

Be aware that those 3x18's were unavailable at one time, but MAY be back again. I think they were supplied by an after market manufacturer so you'll just have to ask your dealer about them or call Tesoro and ask.

Once you get the feel for your Bandido II, you'll love it. In my opinion, it is better than the newer Bandido uMax. I'm not the only one who thinks that either. Seems the change in target filters didn't quite carry over well in the uMax.
 

Shortstack said:
bigtim1973 said:
If it is the Bandido II, with the plastic box, it operates at a freq. of 10khz. You can use ALL uMax coils on it. I have one and also a DeLeon. I got the 5.75 inch uMax coil and the big 12x18 uMax

Hey Shortstack, I been loooking for the 12X18 but no luck...........Did you happen to mean 12X10? Thanks Tim

Yes Sir. I meant 12x10. Guess I was thinking about those 3x18's and hit the wrong key. Sorry. I normally use the "stock" 8 inch coil for most hunts, but wanted the 12x10 more for relic hunting and the 5.75 for tight use around metal poles, etc. All of these coils work on the Bandido II AND my DeLeon. So, if I'm feeling a little lazy and want a turn-on and go with a TID display I'll still have the full spread of coils.

Be aware that those 3x18's were unavailable at one time, but MAY be back again. I think they were supplied by an after market manufacturer so you'll just have to ask your dealer about them or call Tesoro and ask.

Once you get the feel for your Bandido II, you'll love it. In my opinion, it is better than the newer Bandido uMax. I'm not the only one who thinks that either. Seems the change in target filters didn't quite carry over well in the uMax.


I am very familiar with the uMax models.........I have had 2 of them which were the conquistador and eldorado.......I did notice that I tended to dig more iron with the umax models than with these older stlye units like the original banditos and the silver sabre 2 I had. I am trying to make my mind up between a widescan 11" or the 12X10 but still thinking on it.
 

And the Bandido"s Sell on ebay almost for the same as they did new!!
Wish i would have kept My Bandido II.
 

Elbandido said:
And the Bandido"s Sell on ebay almost for the same as they did new!!
Wish i would have kept My Bandido II.

I heard that!
By the way ElBandido:
WELCOME TO T-Net!!! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Sky Pilot
 

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