Need help identifying a Noritake Pattern

[foresta]

I'm new here but have been going through an estate. I am having a hard time identifying a couple of Noritake patterns. I have been searching and searching, either they are rare, I'm blind or they are fakes. Any info is appreciated.

There are actually 2 patterns:

One is of the orange lemon plate - it has the picture of the mark.
The other is of the gold art deco pattern - no picture of the mark - I can get it.

I have searched the replacement sites but maybe I've missed it.

 

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[foresta]

Lesson - never spend hours online looking for a pattern without a piece of the pottery with you.