need help with pattern and possible age

[castletonking]

I was back at the spot i found the large cent,the reale and the indian head as well as many spoon bowls and i found my first knife,unfortunately it is paper than and seems to be carbonized,whats left of the solid portion is black and seemingly crystalized(how old does metal need to be to do that?).but the reason i'm writing is ive found a pewter(?) spoon handle,my first ever.it has a hallmark,but i can only make out the first 3 letters xzw theres something else then an I and something that cant be read.i was hoping that someone can identify the pattern and possibly give me a ball park age.the quality of the pictures is the absolute best i can do,sorry

 

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[bradyboy]

Butter knife
I have one thats similiar
silver
Brady

 

[castletonking]

Butter knife
I have one thats similiar
silver
Brady

silver? its very easy to bend. found at a colonial site thats produced a reale and a large cent and a 1860 indian head today.I'm assuming its colonial.butter knife? its broken off hard to tell if it was a knife or spoon.i wish i could make out the hallmark

 

[timekiller]

Fiddle back made of Britannia which is a later type of pewter used on Neocassical style & fiddle back type spoons.In other words spoons that date 1800's on up till around 1860 or so. Yours looks to be at the end of the time period with the design on it.
http://www.pastmasters.info/PewterSpoons.pdf
Take Care,
Pete,

 

[castletonking]

Fiddle back made of Britannia which is a later type of pewter used on Neocassical style & fiddle back type spoons.In other words spoons that date 1800's on up till around 1860 or so. Yours looks to be at the end of the time period with the design on it.
http://www.pastmasters.info/PewterSpoons.pdf
Take Care,
Pete,

thanks

 

[timekiller]

No prob. Just to clear myself up a little pewter & britannia are alloy of tin.Both have some of the same metals mixed in just different amounts.Which makes britannia a stronger form.

Pewter is defined as being a mixture of metals and malleable alloy containing between 85%- 99% tin, while for the rest it is used lead, bismuth, copper, antimony and even silver. Antimony, copper and bismuth are being used to increase the hardness level, while lead is used for lower degrees of pewter art.
Having this in mind, most low grade pewter art items contain up to 80% lead

Britannia

This alloy of tin contains also antimony and copper and sometimes it was considered an improvement of pewter.
The main difference between pewter and Britannia is the brightness in appearance. In addition, Britannia can not bend as easy as pewter, but is definitely more durable.

 

[castletonking]

No prob. Just to clear myself up a little pewter & britannia are alloy of tin.Both have some of the same metals mixed in just different amounts.Which makes britannia a stronger form.

Pewter is defined as being a mixture of metals and malleable alloy containing between 85%- 99% tin, while for the rest it is used lead, bismuth, copper, antimony and even silver. Antimony, copper and bismuth are being used to increase the hardness level, while lead is used for lower degrees of pewter art.
Having this in mind, most low grade pewter art items contain up to 80% lead

Britannia

This alloy of tin contains also antimony and copper and sometimes it was considered an improvement of pewter.
The main difference between pewter and Britannia is the brightness in appearance. In addition, Britannia can not bend as easy as pewter, but is definitely more durable.

this bends very easily,almost but not quite as easy as lead,is this due to its age?

 

[timekiller]

No prob. Just to clear myself up a little pewter & britannia are alloy of tin.Both have some of the same metals mixed in just different amounts.Which makes britannia a stronger form.

Pewter is defined as being a mixture of metals and malleable alloy containing between 85%- 99% tin, while for the rest it is used lead, bismuth, copper, antimony and even silver. Antimony, copper and bismuth are being used to increase the hardness level, while lead is used for lower degrees of pewter art.
Having this in mind, most low grade pewter art items contain up to 80% lead

Britannia

This alloy of tin contains also antimony and copper and sometimes it was considered an improvement of pewter.
The main difference between pewter and Britannia is the brightness in appearance. In addition, Britannia can not bend as easy as pewter, but is definitely more durable.

this bends very easily,almost but not quite as easy as lead,is this due to its age?

More likely it's due to the fact that they did not have to use as much Britannia to make a object such as a spoon have the same strength as a pewter spoon of the earlier forms which had much thicker stems & all around built heavier.So the fact that it is thinner makes it easy to bend.To show you what I mean you can look here at some I've found that date mainly before the rev. war era. Early forms which had very thick stems & are heavy to do the same thing.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,423940.0.html

 

[castletonking]

No prob. Just to clear myself up a little pewter & britannia are alloy of tin.Both have some of the same metals mixed in just different amounts.Which makes britannia a stronger form.

Pewter is defined as being a mixture of metals and malleable alloy containing between 85%- 99% tin, while for the rest it is used lead, bismuth, copper, antimony and even silver. Antimony, copper and bismuth are being used to increase the hardness level, while lead is used for lower degrees of pewter art.
Having this in mind, most low grade pewter art items contain up to 80% lead

Britannia

This alloy of tin contains also antimony and copper and sometimes it was considered an improvement of pewter.
The main difference between pewter and Britannia is the brightness in appearance. In addition, Britannia can not bend as easy as pewter, but is definitely more durable.

this bends very easily,almost but not quite as easy as lead,is this due to its age?

More likely it's due to the fact that they did not have to use as much Britannia to make a object such as a spoon have the same strength as a pewter spoon of the earlier forms which had much thicker stems & all around built heavier.So the fact that it is thinner makes it easy to bend.To show you what I mean you can look here at some I've found that date mainly before the rev. war era. Early forms which had very thick stems & are heavy to do the same thing.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,423940.0.html

kool,thanks,that explains it

 

[timekiller]

No prob. Just to clear myself up a little pewter & britannia are alloy of tin.Both have some of the same metals mixed in just different amounts.Which makes britannia a stronger form.

Pewter is defined as being a mixture of metals and malleable alloy containing between 85%- 99% tin, while for the rest it is used lead, bismuth, copper, antimony and even silver. Antimony, copper and bismuth are being used to increase the hardness level, while lead is used for lower degrees of pewter art.
Having this in mind, most low grade pewter art items contain up to 80% lead

Britannia

This alloy of tin contains also antimony and copper and sometimes it was considered an improvement of pewter.
The main difference between pewter and Britannia is the brightness in appearance. In addition, Britannia can not bend as easy as pewter, but is definitely more durable.

this bends very easily,almost but not quite as easy as lead,is this due to its age?

More likely it's due to the fact that they did not have to use as much Britannia to make a object such as a spoon have the same strength as a pewter spoon of the earlier forms which had much thicker stems & all around built heavier.So the fact that it is thinner makes it easy to bend.To show you what I mean you can look here at some I've found that date mainly before the rev. war era. Early forms which had very thick stems & are heavy to do the same thing.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,423940.0.html

kool,thanks,that explains it

Seeming how you seem to like knowing about spoons here is another good site.Spoons 229-233 gets into the era of your spoon & the hour glass shaped spoon simular in design of mine.
Best to Ya,
&
HH,
Pete,
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mw...A#v=onepage&q=Queen Anne pewter spoon&f=false

 

[castletonking]

No prob. Just to clear myself up a little pewter & britannia are alloy of tin.Both have some of the same metals mixed in just different amounts.Which makes britannia a stronger form.

Pewter is defined as being a mixture of metals and malleable alloy containing between 85%- 99% tin, while for the rest it is used lead, bismuth, copper, antimony and even silver. Antimony, copper and bismuth are being used to increase the hardness level, while lead is used for lower degrees of pewter art.
Having this in mind, most low grade pewter art items contain up to 80% lead

Britannia

This alloy of tin contains also antimony and copper and sometimes it was considered an improvement of pewter.
The main difference between pewter and Britannia is the brightness in appearance. In addition, Britannia can not bend as easy as pewter, but is definitely more durable.

this bends very easily,almost but not quite as easy as lead,is this due to its age?

More likely it's due to the fact that they did not have to use as much Britannia to make a object such as a spoon have the same strength as a pewter spoon of the earlier forms which had much thicker stems & all around built heavier.So the fact that it is thinner makes it easy to bend.To show you what I mean you can look here at some I've found that date mainly before the rev. war era. Early forms which had very thick stems & are heavy to do the same thing.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,423940.0.html

kool,thanks,that explains it

Seeming how you seem to like knowing about spoons here is another good site.Spoons 229-233 gets into the era of your spoon & the hour glass shaped spoon simular in design of mine.
Best to Ya,
&
HH,
Pete,
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mw...A#v=onepage&q=Queen Anne pewter spoon&f=false

awsome thanx