we only made a fuss over them because they were so hard to find. i still have only found 1 of each so far and that was in the last week or so, and i hunt Phila. where the mint is. people out west were getting them before us and they were Philly MM. some guys here made a hell of a profit selling unopened boxes of 2009 pennies. but now most can get them so the premium is down. i suspect the same will happen with the territories.