Ryedale experiments

[Whyme]

I can't see wasting time doing the same pennies 3-4 times just to get the zinc and copper sorted. I experimented with my Ryedale. First I took a zinc and tried to fine tune the machine to sort IH's into the copper bin, no good. Then tried a wheat in the machine to keep the IH's in the copper bin, tried to fine tune and still no good. Took a 1862 88% copper IH put it into the machine and tried it. Boy was that bad! It rejected everything except older IH's. I then tried a 1901 95% copper IH, fine tuned it and... boy does it work great! I did 1 1/2 boxes of pennies with this setting and found 100% coppers only in one bin and 100% zincs in the other. All the Canadians went into the copper bin. I tried the older IH's and they went into the copper bin. I pulled some foreign coins I have in my little collection, 1963 one centavo, one cent Bermuda, and a Belgie 50 centimes. They all ended up in the copper bin. I hand searched both bins and found no coppers in the zinc bin and no zincs in the copper bin, boy that took a long time Anyone else want to try this and see if it works for them?

 

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In other news today, the price of 1901 Indian Head Cents shot up.

Sounds like a new release note for the Ryedale machine.

 

[killerwine]

I'll give it a try....

 

[Whyme]

In other news today, the price of 1901 Indian Head Cents shot up.

Sounds like a new release note for the Ryedale machine.

I have nothing to do with the Ryedale machine, in fact I was a little mad I had to switch coins and mess with the settings to get all the copper. I tried to find a way to do it in one pass, I think I found how to do it for my machine. I'd like to know it it works for everyone else or just for me. I'm going to run another 1,000 through the machine today and see what happens.

 

[Whyme]

I'll give it a try....

Great! Please let me know how it works.

 

[Whyme]

Well tonight I took 1,000 zincs and mixed in 50 coppers of all different dates. I even threw in the 3 foreign coins and a bunch of Canadians and one 1862 IH. I ran these coins through the machine 5 times and checked the copper bin after each run. Out of the 5 runs I found 2 zincs in the copper bin on the third run, and one zinc in the copper bin on the 5th run. All the coppers, the IH, and foreign coins were in the copper bin each run. To me this is great. It's a one run show for me now. Like the old saying.... the only sure things in life are death and taxes

 

[TxTim]

Are you beginning to see any Brinks boxes with all the copper sorted out yet?
I got one today and the only copper was an 1897 IH.
I put it throught the Rydale with a copper disc. and it rejected to the zinc side.


I usually presort and get all the wheats out first as well as the bent, sticky, corroded pennies so they don't mess the machine up.
Then I do a copper sort. Saves the wear and tear.

 

[Whyme]

Are you beginning to see any Brinks boxes with all the copper sorted out yet?
I got one today and the only copper was an 1897 IH.
I put it throught the Rydale with a copper disc. and it rejected to the zinc side.


I usually presort and get all the wheats out first as well as the bent, sticky, corroded pennies so they don't mess the machine up.
Then I do a copper sort. Saves the wear and tear.

I get all my coins from CWI banks and dump everything at Brinks banks Seems like all the CWI boxes around here have pretty clean coins. I've never seen a really bad bent coin in a box yet, only slightly bent. I got my first box of brand spanking new pennies yesterday all were nice shiney BU 2007's.... and their going back that way too

With the 1901 IH in the slot I'm going to start doing only one run. Seems to get 100% of the coppers with a zinc sneaking in once in a while in the copper bin. It even puts the IH's into the copper bin where they belong. Give it a try.

 

[killerwine]

I've been swamped but will finally pick up a 1901 IH today to try this out...What kind of fine tuning did you have to do? I just bought a Ryedale and am new to adjusting the machine. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Whyme]

There's a little adjustment pot screw on the lower right of the black box. I turned it all the way clockwise and slowly turned it counter clockwise until the zincs went into the other box. Be very careful turning this screw, don't force it.... it's easy to break.

 

[Whyme]

I've been swamped but will finally pick up a 1901 IH today to try this out...What kind of fine tuning did you have to do? I just bought a Ryedale and am new to adjusting the machine. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Just wondering if you tried this yet. Have you?

 

[killerwine]

I haven't had a chance yet...Did see this post where results weren't as good as yours...I'm still going to try it!

http://realcent.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~2145.asp

 

[Whyme]

Thanks for the heads up! Replied to the poster on the other forum. Let's see what happens.

 

[BullionBaron]

I can't see wasting time doing the same pennies 3-4 times just to get the zinc and copper sorted. I experimented with my Ryedale. First I took a zinc and tried to fine tune the machine to sort IH's into the copper bin, no good. Then tried a wheat in the machine to keep the IH's in the copper bin, tried to fine tune and still no good. Took a 1862 88% copper IH put it into the machine and tried it. Boy was that bad! It rejected everything except older IH's. I then tried a 1901 95% copper IH, fine tuned it and... boy does it work great! I did 1 1/2 boxes of pennies with this setting and found 100% coppers only in one bin and 100% zincs in the other. All the Canadians went into the copper bin. I tried the older IH's and they went into the copper bin. I pulled some foreign coins I have in my little collection, 1963 one centavo, one cent Bermuda, and a Belgie 50 centimes. They all ended up in the copper bin. I hand searched both bins and found no coppers in the zinc bin and no zincs in the copper bin, boy that took a long time Anyone else want to try this and see if it works for them?

Is this technique still working for anyone?

 

[Ryedale]

This is why the machine "rejects" some coins. It is reading the master/sample/reference coin, and compares the electronic signature to all the moving coins, note in the attached image all the different metals in old coins. There are many coins from the 70's that are also rejected. The industrial process simply could not remove the trace metals, and somehow this changes the signature of thes coins enough for the machine to say .....Not copper, or "not like the sample coin" every sheet of starting stock the mint received, could have been slightly different. The later years, like the 1979 through 1982 seem to be the most stable as far as consistency. Once you know how the machine is working, you can use it to your advantage, and even make a concentrate of "not perfect coppers" and "not perfect zincs" which will usually contain many of the more interesting wheats. For some strange reason though, the IH pennies like to hide in the zinc. I guess they don't want to be captured and would rather stay in the wild.

 

[Whyme]

Is this technique still working for anyone?

I haven't used the machine in well over a year. But it worked very well with the 1901 IH. I also remember posting about it somewhere else and people having problems trying the IH as a reference coin. But it turned out that the people were trying to get all the copper into the "copper bin".... and I had my machine set up so that all my copper went into the "reject bin". I can't remember which side is considered the "copper" side or the "reject" side. But anyways I just dialed in the machine so that one side was all copper. I got to dig the machine out to see if it still works like it did.