Silver uMax Review #2

Ray in CA

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Hi folks!

Well, I'm a bit overdue for my second review. I actually wanted to write it last week but other stuff got in the way. But I'm glad I waited because as some of you know I scored big just recently with a possible 1916 SLQ (I'm gonna get it checked out by an expert this week to determine whether it is a 1916 or 1917). This review will be relatively short, as it's kinda late right now and I don't feel like sitting at the puter for an hour typing all this up.

Now last I wrote I was having problems not with the Silver uMax but with pinpointing and depth concerns regarding the 12x10 spider coil being mated to the Silver uMax. Well, those concerns are now gone. Why, you ask? Well, as you recall I was still getting familiar with my new Silver uMax, but now that I have about 2.5 months of use under my belt those concerns have been worked out because I decided to devote as much time to the 12x10 coil as I was devoting to the stock coil. And this has resulted in boosting my confidence in using the former as much as the latter.

I have to say first, though, that the stock coil is surprisingly a really good coil. In fact, most of my silver coin finds have been with this coil (probably because I have used it more), including the 1911 Barber and no date SLQ. In wetter soil, I can actually hit a dime or penny at 6-7". In dryer ground I would say that 5" is average. But on to the 12x10...I have yet to hit a really deep coin with this coil, but I am confident that if it was there I wouldn't miss it. I have picked up non-coin items at depths of 9 and 10", so I know it can go deep. But what I really like about this coil is the following:

1. Good targets always give a solid, distinct signal on the Silver uMax (excepting some memorial pennies).
2. More ground covered quicker.
3. Pinpointing coins is relatively simple...just throw the detector into all metal mode and pump the coil up and down until the strongest signal is in the center of coil.
4. When using high discrimination (set to zinc), I can miss most memorials and yet still get the wheat pennies at good depths.
5. When using low discrimination (set between iron and foil, my preferred setting) I won't miss small gold despite the large coil size.
6. Despite being a large coil, it is relatively light and the more I use it the more I get used to it being on.

Granted, there are many variables involved when dealing with metal objects in the ground, but after using the 12x10 extensively I can honestly say that it is an awesome coil that I will be keeping for a long time. Between it and the stock coil, I really have no need for any other coil. They both serve my needs very well.

Now, back to the Silver uMax itself...I just love this machine! When I had my B2uMax I was impressed with its simple discrimination abilities, and it's good to see the Silver uMax doesn't fall behind in the least. Like I said, my preferred setting is between iron and foil because I don't wish to miss any small gold. But sometimes I crank it up to zinc when I need to do a fast hunt or if I'm in a really, really trashy area, and all I really want to find is silver. Well, that's how I found my SLQ the other day...disc cranked up high with only less than an hour to hunt an area before dark. Even with the disc on high the quarter still sang to me that sweet tone that says "good target...dig!" Not only this, but the SLQ was only 6" from a wheat penny. So I had two targets going on at the same time. This is where the smaller coil can come in handy, because one can easily separate the two close targets after carefully swinging the coil a few times in different directions. I got the '44 wheat out first, then closed in on the second good signal...BAM...there was my SLQ down about 4". When I found the silver religious pendant with small chain at a park (this time with the 12x10 coil), the difference in tone in the grass was obvious between the small chain and pendant. The pendant gave a solid "dig me" signal while the chain gave a broken signal. I concentrated on pinpointed the good signal and dug out the pendant, the attached chain following without any damage to it.

I bought this unit mainly because I wanted to find silver coins, and it is doing a great job thus far. But it is doing an equally good job on gold and gold plated items and silver jewelry, small copper rings, wheats, and nickels, and something quite new to me–buttons. All of these will give a distinct, solid signal when going over them with either the stock or 12x10 coils. Sometimes out of curiousity I will dig not so good signals, but I have yet to dig up anything worthwhile while listening to these. But I know that sometimes one has to dig those "iffy" signals just to be sure.

Well, I'm out of time for tonight but not out of thoughts on this detector. Let me just close by saying I am very impressed with this little machine. I bought it as a demo unit for $219, and it has performed flawlessly thus far. I added the 12x10 for another $100, so total of no more than $319 was spent on a detector and extra coil, which not only makes my wife happy but me as well, especially since I have been finding some great stuff left and right in less than 3 months. I do not believe I will be selling this unit anytime soon, so don't ask. ;D

Take care everyone,

Ray
 

Thanks for the reviews Ray. I'm heading to my dealer in the next hour or so to buy a umax. I'm planning on getting the 3x18 clean sweep coil as well as the 12x10 spoked. I enjoyed your reviews and now I am even more excited about picking up my new machine. I can't wait.
 

Ray,

Good write up! Glad your liking the Silver with the 12 X 10" coil, it's a great combo. Not sure what you are saying about the pinpointing (#3) but if it works for you do it. Joe
 

Nice reviews - I just bought that 12 x 10 coil for my silver umax and I can't wait to try it out. You just made me even more excited about getting out there!

It's a keeper

Ian
 

Glad you folks like the review!

willie, are you getting yourself a Silver or another uMax model?

Joe, what I meant with pinpointing was that the easiest way for me to center the target, after having come across a good signal and making my invisible "X" mark, was to switch into all metal mode, pump the coil up and down in a circle around the "X" spot, and listen for the strongest signal coming from the middle of the coil. It may sound unorthodox, but it does work for me and gets me directly over a coin. It takes a bit of practice but after a few coins one gets the idea.

Saginaw, that's great! If the area you're detecting is not too trashy, you can drop that disc down between iron and foil and dig all good signals. Keep in mind what Michigan Badger has stated, however, that sometimes a good target deep down might give somewhat of an iffy signal. I forgot to add that sometimes a wheat penny will act this way, as will clad dimes. So always dig if you're just the least bit unsure. I always do.

Another note about the stock coil. Since I was in Redlands yesterday I decided to hit the easement near an old church. I nailed a memorial penny 8" deep (disc was set between iron and foil). I know it was that deep cuz I measured it with my trowel. That's my deepest penny with the stock coil thus far. I also came away with a 1919 Wheat penny with some patina showing. It was down about 5". Again with the stock coil.

One last thing...and this is a negative that I've noticed...directly after a heavy rain (like what we just had here yesterday) the Silver uMax will give fits and become very noisy no matter what coil one uses. I noticed this last week too, just after a rain had ended. It is best to wait a couple hours, for some reason, before turning on the detector and going hunting. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, or what causes it (electrical interference heightened by dense moisture???), but if you wait a couple or few hours things return to normal.

Ray
 

Ray in CA said:
Glad you folks like the review!

willie, are you getting yourself a Silver or another uMax model?
SILVER
 

willie d said:
Thanks for the reviews Ray. I'm heading to my dealer in the next hour or so to buy a umax. I'm planning on getting the 3x18 clean sweep coil as well as the 12x10 spoked. I enjoyed your reviews and now I am even more excited about picking up my new machine. I can't wait.

I don't know if this will catch you before $ time. ..

I like my CS 3x18 very much.
I would advise you buy it, and a 5.75 coil instead of 12x10 spoke at this time...
 

Hey Ray!

I agree with you 100%. I love my silver umax and don't think id ever get rid of it. I use the stock coil and so far have found some great finds like silver coins,silver and gold jewelry, buttons and tons of clad. I have yet to own any other detector and one day maybe ill get one but for now its umax all the way. Oh yea if i do get another ill still hang on to the umax. Great post Ray keep it up.
 

Good post Ray.

Back several years ago almost nobody was recommending the 12x10. I got one figuring it would be a looser. It so impressed me I've been promoting it ever since.

The 12x10 on a Tesoro uMax machine is a whole new detecting experience.

I'll be turning 60 soon and my body is telling me it's time to go back to water hunting. My land hunts will be few from now on. My knees just can't take the bending and digging any more.

With great sorrow I plan to sell my Bandido and the 12x10. This is a real bummer to me. But, it's time.

Stay with that 12x10 it will find those 9 inch deep bust dimes and other things all the other machines miss.

Badger
 

rmptr said:
willie d said:
Thanks for the reviews Ray. I'm heading to my dealer in the next hour or so to buy a umax. I'm planning on getting the 3x18 clean sweep coil as well as the 12x10 spoked. I enjoyed your reviews and now I am even more excited about picking up my new machine. I can't wait.

I don't know if this will catch you before $ time. ..

I like my CS 3x18 very much.
I would advise you buy it, and a 5.75 coil instead of 12x10 spoke at this time...
The clean sweep is on order, should be here by the weekend. Why the 5.75 over the 12x10?
 

willie d,

Those three coils for the Tesoros are actually for three different purposes. 12 X 10" for depth, 5.75 for trash areas, 3" X 18" for covering large areas fast. Joe
 

JOE(USA) said:
willie d,

Those three coils for the Tesoros are actually for three different purposes. 12 X 10" for depth, 5.75 for trash areas, 3" X 18" for covering large areas fast. Joe

Yes, this was my thought for Willie d.

Unless you are flush, and can spring for all the coils!

The original coil that comes with a machine is most likely "best all around" for that machine as presented by the MFG so the machine performs well for the public. It will probably function reasonably deep.

My thought was a CS for fast coverage at new sites to determine possible concentrations.
Then work may be done with stock coil.
If trashy areas are discovered, a small coil becomes appropriate.

At that time, when easier to dig targets have been recovered, a deep 12x10 coil could be employed.

That is, unless original intent was deep silver or relics and such.

R M P T R
 

rmptr said:
JOE(USA) said:
willie d,

Those three coils for the Tesoros are actually for three different purposes. 12 X 10" for depth, 5.75 for trash areas, 3" X 18" for covering large areas fast. Joe

Yes, this was my thought for Willie d.

Unless you are flush, and can spring for all the coils!

The original coil that comes with a machine is most likely "best all around" for that machine as presented by the MFG so the machine performs well for the public. It will probably function reasonably deep.

My thought was a CS for fast coverage at new sites to determine possible concentrations.
Then work may be done with stock coil.
If trashy areas are discovered, a small coil becomes appropriate.

At that time, when easier to dig targets have been recovered, a deep 12x10 coil could be employed.

That is, unless original intent was deep silver or relics and such.

R M P T R
I know what each coil is used for. The 3x18 I'm buying for covering the dry sand and fields in a hurry. The 12x10 I'm buying for anything deep. I thought maybe rmptr had some inside info on the 12x10 as far as there being a problem with it. The 5.75 is planned for the future.
 

Sry, did NOT mean anyone to infer there was a problem with any product...

My intent was to point out that a course of action could be conducted by using coils in a progression.

In a controlled access situation, best to go after deepest targets last, as they would require the most work.

Elsewhere, a number of folks have clearly stated they are primarily interested in deep silver and will usually forego any shallow targets to accomplish that task. I would think some degree of masking would enter into the equation. I'd think it advisable to work down, by layers, unless a decision is made to be first to the best, and possibly deepest.

Yet I'll qualify my opinion... I have NOT been a dedicated detector operator for the 20+ years I have used them. My time spent has only been sporadic, at the most.
For the time spent, my recoveries are little to compare with the fabulous presentations by others here upon the forums.

Never-the-less, always willing to share what knowledge I do have, and never afraid to ask about what I don't know.

HH

R M P T R
 

Ok, I see what you are saying. Here's my logic: I primarily hunt beaches due to the fact that I get turned down when seeking permission to hunt private property. I average being turned down or ignored 9 out of 10 times. Luckily, I have the beach or I wouldn't get to do much hunting at all. That's where the clean sweep will come in handy. The 12x10 I will use at the precious few properties that I have been hunting for a while. I feel I have cleaned out the shallower items with my Garrett. So, the 12x10 should do the trick. Thanks for the knowledge rmptr, it was appreciated.
 

Ray,
Great writeup. Glad you like the Silver Umax. I've used one for about a year now and have had great success with it. I use a 9x8 web coil and it seems to do very well for me, including silver coins and DEEP targets.
Tesoro builds some great detectors.
-MM-
 

Can I add a little here? - well alright, a lot!
I have owned nearly every progenitor of the current line up, including Silvers. My very first detector was a Silver Sabre II and it was a goodie. Still is. The only one I like better is the SS uMax. Or the Bandido, or the Eldorado.... okay, any uMax format!

Here are some tips that will help you with your uMax model, including the Silver uMax. They were written for the uMax series, in general, but they apply to all of the units in the series. They apply to the current crop, too.

- Keep the SENS down.
These units are deep enough for 80% of usage and will sound off cleanly over good targets. There is little mistaking when you have gotten over something good. Conversely, they are good at discerning trash, but will get squirrely enough if you drive them too hard on a trashy site. You dont need it as high as you think you do. You'll find 6-9 is adequate for most uses.

- What about that MAX BOOST range, so tempting with it's nice bright orange highlight?
Save it for cleaner areas. Seriously.

- Dont bother much with the pinpoint button.
All you need is to slow down a bit to pinpoint in the DISC mode, as it works well at pinpoint speeds. When they say "slow-motion VLF" at Tesoro, they mean it. This saves time and is another benefit of using a Tesoro.

- The DISC is razor edged, as are all Tesoros.
With a little usage, you will learn where things ID at. Practice this by placing a nickle, both a square and ring pull tab and a zinc cent on clean ground.
As you sweep over these targets, increase the DISC control with your thumb (Tesoro fans call this "thumbing," or "twiddling," and it's why Tesoro puts the control where they do.)
As you do this, you will learn where your detector cuts out on each of these. When you have that down pat, mark the spot on the DISC dial for each of these targets with a little dot of bright nailpolish. A bit of flourescent sticky tape works well, too.
You have just created a reasonable TID detector! I call it "ID Ranging." This is the way I learned before I had my first graphic TID unit. This ensured I dug more, instead of peering at some screen all the danged time.


- For general hunting, set your DISC around the pre-set below nickel.
Test this on foil bits and wads. For relics go lower to "IRON or even "ALL Metal". Even at lower DISC settings, it is very good at discerning small iron bits, up to bottlecaps.

- However it will readily signal on large iron, and seems to love steel washers.
But it gives a scraggy, chop-edge sound, not at all like good targets - which always sound smooth. With practice, you'll get it.

- Slow down to "process" signals as you pinpoint sweep over them in DISC.
We're not talking a hover or crawl here, mind you. It's going to be about a third of normal hunt speed.
Learn the old fashioned "x" method of pinpointing - - and then practice to smoothly transition in and out of that mode as you process targets. Trash will come through with choppy edged sounds as mentioned above and the DISC, when thumbed up as you do this, will let you know what the target ID range is. You should strive to establish a flowing sequence to all of this, as it will improve your hunt efficiency.


- You will find the the uMax Silvers to be subtle, with nuance to their single tone.
BUT, you have to slow over targets and "process" them as told above to learn what it is telling you. After a while and some experience youll begin to predict targets well. All long-time Tesoro users understand this and do it instinctively, but it can be lost on a newcomer if no-one tells them.

- You have the ability to "SuperTune" your detector.
Others call it HyperTuning and I first learned of this in an article by Bob Stricker, more years ago than I care to mention. Here's how to do it:

Set the threshold at the usual low hum, per the instructions. Once you've done that and have established the normal "hum", mark that point also with a dot of nail polish. Now, crank it up into the higher ranges, all the way to max if you want, and then switch back into the DISC mode.

Once "SuperTuned" this way, if you get over a really deep target, the detector will overcome the DISC lower signal limit and signal stronger on that deep target.

However, there is a trade off. Several actually:

1. This will kill the ability to pinpoint in AM - or even use the feature. Switching back to all metal from silent search when hyper tuned is a real ear blaster, so watch it!
2. It will hit harder than needed on shallow targets, making it harder to discern depth.
3. It will make your detector noisy and "chirpy," especially in a congested target matrix (that's fancy talk for a trashy site).

But in cleaner areas with the potential for deep targets, such as in farmfield relic hunting or in the dry sand at the beach (this is an OPTIMUM place for it), it can be a real boon. Also, if you aren't sure about an "iffy" target, which might be deep, you can go into this mode and check it out. Cool, huh?!


- Save your clad finds until you can afford the small "sniper" coil.
Or just splurge and get one. Get a replacement lower rod for it, too, while you're at it, so you have a modular unit. In trashy sites, like a park or school, this really helps to separate out targets.

And here is my final tip to you...

- Buy the best, long trowel you can afford and make it your goal to wear it out.

You're going to like these detectors. They are simple beep/dig progressive models, but that simplicity is to your advantage. They are often overlooked and so can be had for fair prices. If you can get your hands on either a Sidewinder, Silver Sabre, or Eldorado uMax...well, you have some of the best in the bunch!
You can find lots of stuff with them, they are sheer joy to use for hours on end and you have a very capable detector at not a lot of money. That's a bargain, these days.
(C) dahut, 2008. All rights reserved.
 

Great post Dahut. Thanks for the tips. I love my Silver Umax so much, I bought another as a backup. :D :thumbsup:
They LOVE relics!
-MM-
 

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Thanks, this info is just what the doctor ordered. I couldn't decide which md to purchase until now.

red
 

redpgmr said:
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Thanks, this info is just what the doctor ordered. I couldn't decide which md to purchase until now.

red

Good for you Red.
You won't be sorry.
-MM-
 

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