Some more Civil War lead, and a strange whistle like brass tube that needs id Help.

[bonepicker]

Went back to the site i have been finding some civil war bullets at, and ended up digging a few fired bullets.
One is a burnside with rifling, one looks like maybe a fired round-ball, and the other 3 appear to be fired 3-ringers.

Also dug this odd brass tube that looks like it could have been part of a whistle, or the mouthpiece to a flute.

It is 2.31", and measures ,57" at is widest point. It has a hollow opening at both ends, and the hole passes all the way through it.
Any ideas.??

 

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[WHADIFIND]

Cigarette holder? Part of a pipe? Pitch pipe?

Nice.

 

[bonepicker]

Cigarette holder? Part of a pipe? Pitch pipe?

Nice.

The pipe stem is a good guess. That thought did cross my mind.
To me, it looks like that smaller rounded end was designed for someone to put their lips on it.
Thanks.....

 

[yamazues]

Looks like Civil War stuff. Broken Pipe, lead bullets, button and Jeans rivet. Nice

 

[weregolf]

Nice hunt

 

[BTV Digger]

Great finds - always love the old civil war stuff and wish we had some of that up here in VT. Brass item - my opinion - is a cigarette or cigar holder. Many were made of wood but no reason why they weren't made of brass either. I've found a partial wooden one a few years back (civilian). Here's a link showing civil war-era wooden ones. Again, an educated guess.
Civil War era Cherry Wood - CIGARETTE (CIGARILLO) HOLDER ( Colonial & CIVIL WAR era through 1880s AMERICANA) at GUNSIGHT ANTIQUES

John

 

[nhbenz]

19th century Chinese opium pipe mouthpiece perhaps.

 

[alabama11]

Great recoveries and preservation of history. Does the Burnside have a dimple in the base? I have 3 with flat bases and wondered if they were considered CSA or union.

 

[CRUSADER]

One end of a CW skipping rope.

 

[bonepicker]

Looks like Civil War stuff. Broken Pipe, lead bullets, button and Jeans rivet. Nice

Thanks Yama.

Nice hunt

Thanks Were.

Great finds - always love the old civil war stuff and wish we had some of that up here in VT. Brass item - my opinion - is a cigarette or cigar holder. Many were made of wood but no reason why they weren't made of brass either. I've found a partial wooden one a few years back (civilian). Here's a link showing civil war-era wooden ones. Again, an educated guess.
Civil War era Cherry Wood - CIGARETTE (CIGARILLO) HOLDER ( Colonial & CIVIL WAR era through 1880s AMERICANA) at GUNSIGHT ANTIQUES
John

Thanks BTV. Interesting ID, and thanks for the link.

19th century Chinese opium pipe mouthpiece perhaps.

Thanks NH. Interesting ID.

Great recoveries and preservation of history. Does the Burnside have a dimple in the base? I have 3 with flat bases and wondered if they were considered CSA or union.

Thanks Alabama. All of the ones i have been digging at this site have a flat base. My M&M book says it was union cavalry.

One end of a CW skipping rope.

Interesting ID Cru. That did not cross my mind. It is small, so it would have to be for a child. One opening is larger than the other.

 

[rick67]

Ben nailed the pipe.

This one is missing the bowl and is over a hundred years old.

 

[bonepicker]

Ben nailed the pipe.

This one is missing the bowl and is over a hundred years old.

Thanks for the pic. After ben posted i did an online search, and I did see some similar to mine, but none that looked as close as the one you posted in your pic above.
When i think of opium, normally i think of chinese railroad workers, or large inner city opium dens. Maybe that is just the stereotype that i have from the pictures i have seen.
This relic was dug in a pasture in rural south mississippi; however, there was a little industry in this area during and right before the civil war.

Here is an interesting link titled OPIUM USE IN THE CIVIL WAR.

http://www.4thus.com/opium

The link mentions that Opium was commonly found in home remedies, and that doctors used Opium to cure patients during, before, and after the civil war.
The link does not mention smoking opium, but it does mention tinctures, powders, and mixtures.
It also mentions that some people developed addictions after using the opium as a remedy, similar to what happens today with pharmaceutical opiates the doctors prescribe to patients after surgeries.

 

[trapperart]

Congrats on some nice finds

 

[rick67]

Thanks for the pic. After ben posted i did an online search, and I did see some similar to mine, but none that looked as close as the one you posted in your pic above.
When i think of opium, normally i think of chinese railroad workers, or large inner city opium dens. Maybe that is just the stereotype that i have from the pictures i have seen.
This relic was dug in a pasture in rural south mississippi; however, there was a little industry in this area during and right before the civil war.

I've found other old hashish/opium pipe pieces usually with harmonica reeds close by. I guess the 1860's and 1960's had much in common that way.

 

[OutdoorAdv]

That looks very similar in shape and size to something I found last weekend at a colonial site. Mine was deep in kind soil and it preserved the wood that is inside it. I believe this was a handle to a parasol. Yours could be as well.

 

[bonepicker]

That looks very similar in shape and size to something I found last weekend at a colonial site. Mine was deep in kind soil and it preserved the wood that is inside it. I believe this was a handle to a parasol. Yours could be as well.

Thanks for taking the time to post the pic. Your parasol handle does look a lot like mine.
Mine was packed full of dirt. It could have had wood in it at one time.
Due to some of the finds i have made at my site, i believe there was a pre-civil war home-site/structure in the same vicinity i have been digging my finds.
I have to say that if you are correct on your id, then it could be very likely that mine is also a parasol handle, due to the striking similarities.
The only thing that makes me have some doubt is the size. Mine is a little over 2" long.
Maybe my hands are big, or maybe part of my object has broken off, but when i try to hold the item/object in my hand like you would do a parasol, i can only get a 2 finger grip on it.
Of course, im assuming women and children would be using parasols much more often than men, and their hands are normally much smaller.
Thanks again for posting the pic, and i do agree that both items look VERY similar in their shape and design.

Matter of fact the more i look at the pic, the more both items look almost exactly identical.
The only notable difference i can see is the upper part of mine was probably broken off, hence the rough, slightly pinched, uneven edge.
If mine had the missing piece, then i could probably put a 3rd finger around it, which would probably be comparable to a small hand.

 

[CRUSADER]

Sorry, should have put a winky face at my suggestion, I had no clue.

 

[OutdoorAdv]

Thanks for taking the time to post the pic. Your parasol handle does look a lot like mine.
Mine was packed full of dirt. It could have had wood in it at one time.
Due to some of the finds i have made at my site, i believe there was a pre-civil war home-site/structure in the same vicinity i have been digging my finds.
I have to say that if you are correct on your id, then it could be very likely that mine is also a parasol handle, due to the striking similarities.
The only thing that makes me have some doubt is the size. Mine is a little over 2" long.
Maybe my hands are big, or maybe part of my object has broken off, but when i try to hold the item/object in my hand like you would do a parasol, i can only get a 2 finger grip on it.
Of course, im assuming women and children would be using parasols much more often than men, and their hands are normally much smaller.
Thanks again for posting the pic, and i do agree that both items look VERY similar in their shape and design.

Matter of fact the more i look at the pic, the more both items look almost exactly identical.
The only notable difference i can see is the upper part of mine was probably broken off, hence the rough, slightly pinched, uneven edge.
If mine had the missing piece, then i could probably put a 3rd finger around it, which would probably be comparable to a small hand.

I just took a couple more pictures because I am interested in figuring this out.

I set my calipers to the length of yours a 2.31" and it landed right after the groove after it bulges out. Which is right where yours appears to be broken.



The full length of it is about 3" though. ALSO, mine is 0.7" at the bulge where it is the thickest.



So yours definitely appears to be much thinner. Whats funny is when I pulled this out of the dirt the very first thing I thought was it was a whistle and I HOPPED it was a cannon! ha. Once I was able to clean it I realized mine has wood that went all the way through. I started thinking it must be a handle to something and the only thing I came up with for the period was a parasol. I also assumed that since women carried them the handles would be smaller. I'm not 100% sure that is what mine is, but with the wood inside it that was my best guess. Yours may or may not be the same since its obviously thinner.

 

[bonepicker]

Well. i just re-checked my measurements to make sure i was not off, and they werent.
So, yours appears to be the same length, but a little thicker/wider.

The smaller end has that round bulbous shape, which immediately led me to believe it was designed like that for sucking or blowing.
I also thought about a handle or grip for some sort of cranking mechanism.
The toy cannon thought did also cross my mind.
Seems like many times i tend to believe, or tend to want to believe that the finds i make are exactly what i want/wish them to be.

I kind of had a feeling this one was going to be hard to ID, as the shape could be used for so many things.

Even though mine is a little thinner than yours, there is a good probability that both items pictured could have been used for the same purpose.
It is interesting how those 2 lines on each end match up; however, the design is not 100% exact, the shape is very similar.

So far it has gone from whistle, flute tip, crank, cannon, cigarillo holder, pipe stem, parasol, and as Cru put it-civil war era jump rope handle. :-)..
I do believe your parasol handle ID makes alot of sense, and seems pretty practical.

Would love to know for sure what it is, hopefully we can find out more on this.

 

[bonepicker]

Sorry, should have put a winky face at my suggestion, I had no clue.

No problem. I kind of figured you might have been joking, but you know those cavalry soldiers may have needed to stretch and have some some sort of exercise.
I was also trying to stay objective, and appreciate all comments and suggestions.
I appreciate all who post, and do not want to discredit anyone for making a suggestion.