OK atlatl , Thats what we call em round here. Believe it or not the past 2 months I have been anticipating the fall droping of the river, and wondering why in all my years I have yet to find an atlatl weight. Ok I'll take this one. The problem right now is that the river dropped too fast and it left mud and silt covering everything. Cant wait till it rains. I new Monday that it had dropped fast as the snails were leaving their tracks, trying to get back to the water. Hope to go tommorow and do some MDing. Thanks all.