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[bruce]

It seems to me these scrapers were used with alot of force behind it.
To me all these are have broken ends on them. 12-A-446


Thanks,
Bruce

 

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[Cannonman17]

They weren't broken from use, they were "broken" one of two ways 1) they were a regular flake that was produced during the flintknapping process but it ended in what is called a step fracture and was later picked up and turned into a scraper or 2) and most likely, the flat side simply represents the surface of the core from which it was struck. (where the flake was hit and chipped off to start with- Some very small or VERY thin scrapers could have borken from use but like I said- #2 is the most likely explanation.

 

[bruce]

Hello there,

I was thinking if they was a fracture waste flake they would show
impact point and bulb. I believe they were stuck of the block or core for the sole purpose for a utility tool. A spall struck on end will cause a snap. no/yes
need more depth in which you state.

Thanks,
Bruce

 

[Bridge End Farm]

nice

 

[Cannonman17]

Hello there,

I was thinking if they was a fracture waste flake they would show
impact point and bulb. I believe they were stuck of the block or core for the sole purpose for a utility tool. A spall struck on end will cause a snap. no/yes
need more depth in which you state.

Thanks,
Bruce

Well, I'm not saying that they are waste flakes... byproducts of some other tool being made perhaps and the large flake was then picked up and used as some of these show secondary flaking even from a distance but: I only took a quick glance but it appears as though most of them do show a bulb (and probably impact point but the picture doesn't show that side very well) They could have been struck off a core for the sole purpose of a utility tool- that's true, and impossible to say because a large flake taken from a core for this purpose and a primary reduction flake are going to have the same characteristics. Lastly.. I'm a little confused on your question... a spall struck on the end will cause a snap? Yes and no. I mean I can make a large flake and hit it in such a manner as to snap it in the middle.. but there would be no purpose in that. Sometimes it will happen on accident as well but not as often when being struck from a core. I mean I'm an average knapper at best but even with only moderate skills I can strike a flake (spaul) from a core without a step fracture more often than not and I can only assume that they were even better at it. Am I making any sense at all? I'm attaching your picture showing the most obvious percussion bulbs and impact points best I can see... in person I believe I could show more hope it helps. I also have to add that a few of these appear to be ordinary flakes.

 

[luckyinkentucky]

Do you have any projectile points? I, too, like scrapers, and have literally 3 - 2 gallon buckets FULL of them. I find myself throwing back 'scrapers' all the time. It seems a lot of other collectors do the same thing as I see a lot of them at many of the sites I hunt. I reserve some of my best scrapers that have been worked extensively for my display cases. Here are a few examples of my 'caseable scrapers'.

I find myself not even wasting my time with the rest since you could literally fill buckets of them that are discarded. Chances are that if you have found that many scrapers in an area there are plenty of points to be had as well. The problem arises when you train your eye to one particular shape or size, and you miss the 'bigger picture', and pass up points you might have found otherwise.

Another possibility is that you are late and are hunting heavily pressured areas, and other collectors are discarding these scrapers.

 

[Cannonman17]

I forgot the picture last night... sorry about that.

 

[bruce]

Thank you Cannonman!

Its very interesting how you interpret though the arrows point to
impact spots?


Thanks,
Bruce

 

[Cannonman17]

The arrows are just the direction the blow came from and an approximate point of impact. Those flat sides are from the surface of the core, not snapped, do you see what I'm saying? I just pointed out the ones that were most obvious, I'm guessing there are a good many more to, some on the other sides and some just not as well defined. Some also appear to be secondary reduction flakes. The ones highlighted in red really show the "bulbs" pretty well-

Don't let anybody get you down for taking such an interest in the little stuff like this, IMO it's how you get a good knowledge base that will help you in the long run with all artifacts, (pretty ones included) and help you distinguish between real and fake and retouched and all that stuff. I really think it's great that you take the time to study these pieces that most throw back. I do think you still have quite a few regular flakes mixed in with the scrapers, knives, and utilized flakes but the rather safe than sorry routine prevents accidentaly throw aways!

 

[Billco]

I'm probably getting myself in hot water, but honestly when I began reading artifact net forums back in October I was kinda put-off by the obsession over points at the expense of everything else. I still find it odd. I like finding points, but I hope I never get bored with scrapers, or even brokes.

I'd like to see more tools posted , and hopefully some informative comments (like Cannonman's on this thread).

 

[stryker-one]

Well said, Cannonman. I like your posts Bruce.

Soon it will be warm spring time (as compared to cold, wet almost spring ). Which will lead to summer and you guys will be out hunting and finding all kinds of projectile points and stuff. Me I'll be out working on helicopters that drop water on forest fires--and maybe I'll get sent to a site where I can find some points too.

Aint it great

Stryker

 

[romeo-1]

I'm probably getting myself in hot water, but honestly when I began reading artifact net forums back in October I was kinda put-off by the obsession over points at the expense of everything else. I still find it odd. I like finding points, but I hope I never get bored with scrapers, or even brokes.

I couldn't agree more!

 

[bruce]

Billco and Romeo,

I feel the same way about this tools, what you use in the
trade you are in and theirs was survival. Indeed they had a purpose the
peoples used everything nothing really wasted. Thanks for the input talk to later.
Stryker follow load specs not to many artifacts need help?

Thanks
Bruce