What can you folks tell me about this 1858 jar?

[NJKLAGT]

Hey everyone, 'hope all is well!

Yesterday I bought my first patent '58 jar. I've found a couple pieces while digging before but yeah, had to have one in my collection, and the price was just awesome, so it was time, haha! And she's a beauty.

Anyway, here's what I found interesting about it and hopefully what might help attribute it to a certain time period and/or glassworks:

First, it's not a shoulder sealing jar like many 1858 jars but instead it has a continuous external thread, so I found that very compelling, personally I don't think I've ever seen that before. Second, it lacks an apostrophe in "MASONS". Third, it's blown in what looks like a simple post-bottom kind of mould, with a nice big ol' 22 on the base. Other minor details about the glass itself are that it's got some good rich colour, the glass is free of any haze or staining, it's got some bubbles, and it's got a lot of whittle. And the jar has a ground lip of course.

I'm hoping to more accurately date this jar and find out where it was made!

Thank you and have a good evening,


John

 

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[NJKLAGT]

And it's a quart!

And I forgot to kindly ask, if anyone out there has a Red Book, to take a moment and leaf through it for me. If you could take a picture of the listing inside the Red Book I would be so grateful, DiggerinVA was very kind to do this for me in the past!

 

[Bass]

I really don't know much about these jars. I know in the past years there have been some discussions about mason jars and you can probably find what you need looking through some older threads. I think the "22" is a mold number. Having a ground lip your jar is likely an older one

 

[villagenut]

Mason patented the screw top and thus the name embossed on it lends toward that thought, however these 1858 Masons were produced long after the 1858 dated ones...even today there are modern examples bearing the same embossed date. Your ground lip though indicates an earlier make, a nice addition to your collection.

 

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[NJKLAGT]

Thanks guys, yeah I know it's an older jar, but I'm trying to get a more accurate date and hopefully a glassworks! I think that both the continuous external thread closure and the lack of an apostrophe in "MASONS" are some very good clues. So I'm still waiting for the fruit jar expert or anyone with a Red Book!

 

[DiggerinVA]

I will gladly look the jar up for you. Does it have a glass top with a zinc ring or is it a regular zinc lid?

 

[NJKLAGT]

You're the man DiggerinVA! It has a zinc band with a glass insert, and the jar does not have a shoulder!

 

[NJKLAGT]

It might not be the original lid and band though, so I'm hoping the other clues I've given will help! Thanks again DiggerinVA!

 

[DiggerinVA]

After some digging in the redbook here is the closest I can find. All matches except the lack of apostrophe...which I feel is an overlooked mold variance of the same jar. Jar is ball made which I figured. But here are the pics

 

[DiggerinVA]

 

[DiggerinVA]

You have a good eye......another great jar!

 

[NJKLAGT]

Thank you so much for your time once again DiggerinVA!

I'm just wondering, is that the only patent '58 jar with an improved type closure that you can find in there?

And does the Red Book always illustrate its jars with a sharp bottom edge like that, as opposed to a more rounded bottom? I'm just having trouble with the shape a bit.

And my jar doesn't have a dot after "NOV" either, I just noticed. Maybe a mould variance like you said, but I'm just wondering if there is a jar more similar!

If that's the only patent '58 jar with an improved type closure, I'm convinced, but let me know if you find any other similar jars!

Thanks again DiggerinVA,


John

 

[NJKLAGT]

Wait DiggerinVA, I think I'm convinced that the jar you've shown me is a match! BBGMCo apparently made these jars between 1886 and 1888! I'm really pleased to discover that this jar was only made for 2 years!

Thank you so much again DiggerinVA, for helping me out with that Gem jar and now this jar! If you happen to see any other patent '58 jars with the improved style closure in the Red Book let me know!

Thanks yet again,


John