Winchester? Need a date please

[relic lover]

It has taken me 2 years to locate this foundation where I found this. It is my only nonferrous find so far but I cant find a match for this shotgun shell head. The site must be super old there is a 100yr old tree inside the foundation! Please help me date this shell. I am including site pics as well.

 

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[Charlie P. (NY)]

Winchester Rivals were sold from 1884 to 1901 +/- (who knows how long they sat on shelves or in closete - I have 30 year old shells I still use).

http://www.ngpc.state.ne.us/nebland/articles/history/shotshells.asp

 

[stoney56]

Probably dates to the mid to late 1890's to early 1900's. Hard to tell but I think it says Winchester #12 Nitro Rival.

http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/shotgun.htm

http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/winch.htm

 

[PBK]

Pretty close, Stoney!

Believe it's "NEW RIVAL"— and, as you say, probably very early 1900's.

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[Thomas007]

Hi Don

What can i add after PBK puts his touches to it? I will add though that the shotgun shell casing will not date the site... if anything it just makes the site older for the building could have already been in shambles when the shot was fired and the shell ejected and dropped.

It does look to be a good place to find some really old stuff. Have you found a well yet?

Good Luck and thanks for sharing with us.

HH

Sanat

 

[relic lover]

Thanks for the dates everyone. No well or privy yet the place is near a spring though so there prolly won't be a well. I found it from plat maps it is there on 1867 maps and gone on 1906 maps. And yes I agree shells wont date a site I was hoping I had a real old black powder jobbie though.

 

[Montana Jim]

The only thing I can add Relic Lover is this: You av is very strange... I don't know whether to look away in fear or stare at it like a trainwreck! LMAO

 

[relic lover]

The only thing I can add Relic Lover is this: You av is very strange... I don't know whether to look away in fear or stare at it like a trainwreck! LMAO

aah the old trainwreck... horrible yes but you have to look anyway