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    Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Found this picture while searching pics of the Grand Canyon, just off to the right is a structure in the mountain side with what looks like stairs and a door opening. Will try to post another picture of that later......
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Nice picture, but I see nothing of interest in the circled areas - just rocks and shadows. Better, closer photos would be needed if you need to examine them further. Buy the way, why do you say 'Cibola'?
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield
    Nice picture, but I see nothing of interest in the circled areas - just rocks and shadows. Better, closer photos would be needed if you need to examine them further. Buy the way, why do you say 'Cibola'?
    You need to look a little harder, come with all the crap that people on here say that they see in pictures of hearts and animal picture trying to find The Lost Dutchman. Here you say you see nothing, WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    I see Jesus.

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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Relax DT: You asked for opinions, so don't be upset to receive them, even if they may not agree wth your's.. I for one, see your 'stairs' quite clearly, but unfortunately they are simply erosion of the strata. Follow each step (?) to the left or right and you will see a layer coresponding to them.

    Incidentially, each step would probably be perhaps 10 ft high.

    I agree, you did a surperb job in spotting the layer / steps. Keep it up my friend, but remember Cibola was a large settlment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtpost
    You need to look a little harder, come with all the crap that people on here say that they see in pictures of hearts and animal picture trying to find The Lost Dutchman. Here you say you see nothing, WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sorry, DT, but I'm not a proponent of using pareidolia as a 'treasure hunting' tool. Not that we can't find rocks that resemble other things - we can, by the thousands, everywhere. However, for me personally, I'll stick with locating man made clues as a reason to proceed. It increases your odds by many orders of magnitude, IMO.

    I think the Grand Canyon is an excellent venue for searching for places of mystery, what with the Hopi mythology, et al. Having once spent a week down there in obscure side canyons, I know that much of the canyon has never been walked on - by white folk anyway.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield
    Quote Originally Posted by dtpost
    You need to look a little harder, come with all the crap that people on here say that they see in pictures of hearts and animal picture trying to find The Lost Dutchman. Here you say you see nothing, WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sorry, DT, but I'm not a proponent of using pareidolia as a 'treasure hunting' tool. Not that we can't find rocks that resemble other things - we can, by the thousands, everywhere. However, for me personally, I'll stick with locating man made clues as a reason to proceed. It increases your odds by many orders of magnitude, IMO.

    I think the Grand Canyon is an excellent venue for searching for places of mystery, what with the Hopi mythology, et al. Having once spent a week down there in obscure side canyons, I know that much of the canyon has never been walked on - by white folk anyway.
    Hey it's cool guys just thought it was interesting when I saw these things and thought I would post it!!
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    I was taught that i grew up near the seven cities. How about you Springfield? Anyway, I have worked places that have had alot of things I wish I had taken pictures of, and researched better. I am surpised that we see a young fella that pays attn, Because I definately did not when I was young. Think about the cliff dwellings that must be in that canyon. Keep your eyes open DT, I think that Don Jose has it right on this one but stay aware!
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    These cave dwellings
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Interesting picture depost, I clearly see what appears to be a structure ( abode )
    with stairs coming up to it. And the doorway to the right of the structure.

    To the right of the picture, would I be right, in that the face you have in the circle,
    is facing right. Would be left on the rock.

    The door and square, at top of the picture is obvious.

    As I said, interesting picture. Thanks for sharing it with us.

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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadquest
    Interesting picture depost, I clearly see what appears to be a structure ( abode )
    with stairs coming up to it. And the doorway to the right of the structure.

    To the right of the picture, would I be right, in that the face you have in the circle,
    is facing right. Would be left on the rock.

    The door and square, at top of the picture is obvious.

    As I said, interesting picture. Thanks for sharing it with us.

    Roadquest
    Yes the face is left on the stone, I also posted a picture of the cave dwellings. The second arrow moving from left to right on the first picture there is a face of an animal, can't say what type of animal it is though. The (adobe) as you pointed out looks like it was an original part of the rocks, but you can't mistake the stairs. They are flat and look to be cut into the side of the face of the mountain. As someone pointed out Cibola was a big place, and yes so is the Grand Canyon
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Dt, we were taught that the seven cities of cibola were a misinterperatation and that the spaniards came up the center of New Mexico, I have seen Spanish writing and found a spanish bit on a packrat nest. Wish we had the internet as a resource back then. As I was a young fella,, I wonder what my dad would have noticed. East of us, on some mesas fairly close to buffalo wallows,, and on some mesas near a ranch where we had some really good friends.
    Trying to draw my dad into this, lets see what he says.
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    "Government even in its best state is but a necessary evil," Paine wrote, and "in its worst state an intolerable one." Like many Americans today, Paine believed that government added insult to injury by using tax dollars in ways that were actually harmful to the public. "When we suffer," wrote Paine, "or are exposed to the same miseries by a government which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities are heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer." To Paine, "securing freedom and property to all men, and, above all things, freedom of religion," were the only legitimate functions of government. Americans generally agreed, and went to war to achieve this vision.
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    DT: you posted --> These cave dwellings
    ***************
    Thats cheating, I would love to examine them. I wonder how many kiddies they lost there?

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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
    DT: you posted --> These cave dwellings
    ***************
    Thats cheating, I would love to examine them. I wonder how many kiddies they lost there?

    Don Jose de La Mancha
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    Re: Cibola Or NOT?????????

    I must just not have a very vivid imagination. The only thing I clearly see is the phenomenal photo of the cliff dwellings. Those look fantastic and in remarkably good condition!

    Everything else I have to REALLY stretch my mind to make it look like anything more than just rocks and shadows. It would seem that most of the things you're trying to point out (stairs, doorways, adobes) would be far too enormous if you look at the perspective of things from the photo.

    The close-up photo of the cliff dwellings - is that area shown from a distance in any of the first two photos?
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