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    Question about diving detector and beach detecting.

    I'm curious which plan you guys would suggest. I've only used VLF, and this would likely be PI. Also have not done much beach of diving hunting. But I plan to do a lot of both in the near future.

    #1 Should I get a detector for diving and just also use it on the beach?
    #2 Should I get a diving detector and a second one for on the beach?

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    If you get the right detector, you can use it for both. Two that immediately come to mind are the Minelab Excalibur II and the Fisher CZ-21. Both have been used successfully in both environments and both are rated at 200-250 ft depth.

    A PI is also a consideration for the beach but I personally prefer the VLF. I used a PI on the beach a few times and was digging in excess of 22 inches for a bobbi pin....good depth but no discrimination.

    If you want two detectors, I would still recommend the Excal and/or CZ for diving and either an Equinox 800 or 600 or the CTX 3030 for the beach.

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    If you go for the excal, plan on also buying a straight shaft with under/behind the elbow mount for it. The factory setup will kill your arm as a land hunter
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    How deep are you diving? 10' or less and I'd get either the Equinox or the CTX. Deep diving and the Excalibur is hard to beat. Any of those will work great on the beach too. The Equinox would be the lightest, The CTX has the best target I.D. and the Excalibur the best depth. All three discriminate nicely. PI machines also have their place, mainly areas where there is not a lot of undesirable iron targets. They don't discriminate well, so, you will be digging lots of deep iron junk. Most PI machines are not great beach machines for the same reason, plus most are fairly heavy and not all that balanced or ergonomic. If you are set on one, go to a detector store or borrow some from friends or club members, swing them and see which one feels the best. As of the present time, if I wanted to get a PI, it would probably be the White's TDI Beach Hunter if I didn't plan on going any deeper than 25 feet. For deep dives the Garrett Sea Hunter will go to 200 feet. For serious underwater work, the J.W. Fisher machines or the Aquascan machines would be the way to go.....if your pocketbook can handle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cudamark View Post
    How deep are you diving? 10' or less and I'd get either the Equinox or the CTX.
    I would suggest that you dont pick EITHER if you are doing anything more than wading. They are great, "rain proof" detectors, and great and wading but there are far too many reports of failures from people actually taking the control head down 5 - 10 feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelDan View Post
    A PI is also a consideration for the beach but I personally prefer the VLF. I used a PI on the beach a few times and was digging in excess of 22 inches for a bobbi pin....good depth but no discrimination.
    Huh, i've never detected a saltwater beach, but I heard VLF was very poor in saltwater.
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    The Garrett Sea Hunter was the one I was looking at for diving. I can't see going below 100', and it's supposedly good to twice that depth.

    I was thinking that saltwater beaches would need PI. And I was thinking people might have some reason to keep the water detectors in the water that I didn't know.

    If VLF would work I would just use my Whites XLT.
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    XLT is great on land not good on sea bch or in saltwater
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    I started water hunting with Whites PI - did great but I dont mind digging the trash I started land hunting with a non discriminating machine
    I use CZ21s now in the water and have done okay
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    but other friends here have done great with other machines
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    Some of these articles may help you - some may inspire
    click pages to enlarge for better reading

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasivian View Post
    The Garrett Sea Hunter was the one I was looking at for diving. I can't see going below 100', and it's supposedly good to twice that depth.

    I was thinking that saltwater beaches would need PI. And I was thinking people might have some reason to keep the water detectors in the water that I didn't know.

    If VLF would work I would just use my Whites XLT.
    A lot of this depends on the beach, conditions, and your expectations. A PI will work on the beach but you will be digging fish hooks, tiny pieces of metal, BBs, hair pins, etc. unless the beach is very clean. For this reason, the most common beach machines are multifrequency machines, such as the ones mentioned in this thread - CZ21, Equinox, CTX, Excalibur, and a few others. These machines will disc out a lot of that garbage iron so you aren't digging as many bad target.

    If I were you, I would look at the CZ21 or Excalibur as they work for both. Otherwise a PI and multifrequency option works too! In that case I would get a PI, like the one you mentioned, and probably an equinox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasivian View Post
    Huh, i've never detected a saltwater beach, but I heard VLF was very poor in saltwater.
    Not all "VLF" are the same! Its true that single frequency VLFs generally suck at salt beaches, but multi-Frequency VLFs are great.
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    I hunt in all metal most of the time - many times bad signals have turned out to be good and i have gotten lots of goodies
    following others cranking their discrim.
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    3 guys went over area where this was found - they passed up junk around it
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    this one a guy had gridded over the whole area i could see with my mask on holes all around
    i went over and dug some trash and pulled this out - i asked guy later if he was cranking his discrim. and he said yes to much trash
    i think its worth it to take out trash - these are just some better examples - happens a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasivian View Post
    Huh, i've never detected a saltwater beach, but I heard VLF was very poor in saltwater.
    With single frequency machines, that would be true. Multifrequency machines are what we're recommending here.
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    Excal for the water.
    Equinox for the damp & dry sand.
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