HOAX BELIEVERS GET NASTY AWAKENING ON BEALE PAPERS

[Rebel - KGC]

Contrary to what Poe has posted here, we DO NOT known if "Mr Jim" has solved anything...
...and the credibility of Mr Jim, Crypto , and you Poe, is highly questionable to say the least.

"Mr. Jim"...?

 

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[ECS]

I don't think he is referring to the "Mr Jimmy" of THE STONES "Can't Always Get What You Want", or maybe he is , referring to cipher solutions.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I don't think he is referring to the "Mr Jimmy" of THE STONES "Can't Always Get What You Want", or maybe he is , referring to cipher solutions.

VERY nice "BLUES" song tho; slide guitar "Train Whistle"... WHOO HOO!

 

[masterpoe]

"Mr. Jim"...?

You know the guy that found the English plaintext. Alphabetical sequences such as abcdefghiijklmmnohpp that are both non-random.

 

[masterpoe]

I know you guys miss jean, but can we stick to the topic?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I know you guys miss jean, but can we stick to the topic?

LOL! Can YOU...?

 

[masterpoe]

Dose you guys dose e do? Rope-a-dope!

 

[Cryptography]

Dose you guys dose e do? Rope-a-dope!

Can I use that ROPE-A-Dope reference one day?

 

[ECS]

You know the guy that found the English plaintext. Alphabetical sequences such as abcdefghiijklmmnohpp that are both non-random.

"C1 and C3 have statistical characteristics that are not actually encryptions of an English plaintext"- Carl Hammer, Sperry Univac
Hammer done hurt him.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Dose you guys dose e do? Rope-a-dope!

If you say so...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Can I use that ROPE-A-Dope reference one day?

Heh...

 

[ECS]

This forum is to finally put to bed all the crappy ideas people think about The Beale Papers as a hoax...

It's not the original dime novel job pamphlet that is the hoax, it is those who have claimed to have solved the two ciphers that is the real hoax.

 

[franklin]

It's not the original dime novel job pamphlet that is the hoax, it is those who have claimed to have solved the two ciphers that is the real hoax.

I wish I could give you more likes on that post. Amen.

 

[bigscoop]

The presented ciphers make for an interesting study for folks who are into this sort of thing. For those who are not, well, there's going to be a lot that they have no reason to consider. For one thing, we already know that the ciphers have been altered, or that they maintain at least one additional element beyond simple substitution, if in fact they contain any meaningful clear text at all. This is why you can't rely on any statistical summation that has drawn its conclusion by way of analysis of the entire code as this procedure has already been proven to be ineffective before the process is ever began.

My point, once again, is simply this; unless someone is already privileged to at least the design of the code then they can run all the statistical analysis they desire to no avail. Per example, there are 19 four digit codes in C1 and it could just as easily be that those codes are the only codes with meaning, the rest just being completely meaningless and simply included to add confusion? We already know that there exist, as masterpoe points out, intentional strings of codes that present additional element. So any type of statistical analysis that utilizes the entire code is an effort already defeated. The down side to this fact, is that this knowledge then allows anyone to apply only those codes they chose to apply, and of course, this can result in an endless stream of the same type of manufactured solutions that have become all too common in this mystery.

In other words, once you know how the code was designed then you can go to work writing programs in search of specifics, but if don't know how that code was designed then you can only write programs that search for specific clues to that design, which means the search criteria is subject only to "human expectations and suspicions" within this otherwise complete unknown.

Time and science have already established that in its presented entirety that C1 cannot contain a grammatically correct English translation by way of simple substitution/book cipher, etc. We already know this for a fact so why keep trying?

 

[ECS]

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Time and science have already established that in its presented entirety that C1 cannot contain a grammatically correct English translation by way of simple substitution/book cipher, etc. We already know this for a fact so why keep trying?

...and Carl Hammer of Sperry Univac has stated the same, as well as other professional codebreakers.
Its the amateurs with treasure fever dreams that claim to have broken the unsolved Beale codes.

 

[bigscoop]

...and Carl Hammer of Sperry Univac has stated the same, as well as other professional codebreakers.
Its the amateurs with treasure fever dreams that claim to have broken the unsolved Beale codes.

Truth is, without some knowledge as to their design/construction there's just no way to know if there are actual plain text in those remaining ciphers. At best, one can only pursue what he suspects and/or anticipates to be in those codes, and how they might be arranged, both leaving the sky as the limit.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I wish I could give you more likes on that post. Amen.

HA! Just "say" "X 100"...

 

[ECS]

Truth is, without some knowledge as to their design/construction there's just no way to know if there are actual plain text in those remaining ciphers. At best, one can only pursue what he suspects and/or anticipates to be in those codes, and how they might be arranged, both leaving the sky as the limit.

...and has been demonstrated time and again by those who have claimed to have "solved" these Beale ciphers.
NONE of these "solved" ciphers contain the same message, which bears out what you stated concerning one's preconceived anticipation of what the message will reveal.

 

[masterpoe]

It's not the original dime novel job pamphlet that is the hoax, it is those who have claimed to have solved the two ciphers that is the real hoax.

So what would it take for you to believe it has been deciphered?

 

[Ryano]

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