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  1. #751
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin
    Hi Frankn,
    I have zero experience at THing but I know a whole lot about people and getting a long with difficult people. The problem boils down to satisfying his ego without getting your ego hurt. You put a lot of work and effort into this project and deserve to be compensated appropriately. The landowner will never understand this. He probably feels that he deserves 90% of it because it is his land. I doubt either one of you will see this differently. You need to shift the point of focus and the nature of the discussion.

    Try taking him out for a meal or to the pub. Show him all the leg work you have put in on a previously successful treasurehunt. He will see how hard you worked but it will not reveal anything about the current treasure. Compliment him, feed his narcissism. Put your ego aside and focus on the main goal...getting the treasure. I would also point out that you are both losing money on leaving the treasure in the ground because you can invest it and profit off it. Maybe find out if he wants a new car or something similiar. Tell him what you plan on using the money for and why you cannot afford to take a significant cut. After you get on friendly terms maybe offer a symbolic split to pacify him like 52/48. Remember that you are making a sales pitch, "The answer NO is simply a request for my information." Keep on friendly terms with him and make contact often. If you do not talk to him then you will never make a deal. Waiting things out usually leads to stubborness and less likely for people to give in. You can try reading the old book, "How to win friends and influence people." I think it would be worth your time. If you are serious about learning this process send me a private email and I would be happy to help guide you.
    Good luck.


    Yes Franklin call in the next ten minutes and send a check for $19.95.
    Crispin likes this.

  2. #752
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    Yes, call in less then 24 hours and you will not only got the do-it-all wonder kitchen appliance but we will throw in the never-dull set of knives at no cost to you! Prices do not include shipping and handling.

  3. #753
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    There is always hope. I think people just misunderstand you. Sarcasm is a very sophisticated sense of humor. Unfortunately I'm down to my last do-it-all wonder kitchen appliance, and I offered it to Frankn first. However, if he is not interested then you will be next on the list. You sure you don't want the never-dull kitchen knives? If you are not allowed anything too sharp then I can always dull them before I mail them out. Postage and handling not included.

  4. #754
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankn View Post
    Spart, I doubt it, at 74, I will be gone before that happens.
    Exactly my point, heck we may both be gone by that time

    Funny thing is this forum will still be here and so will people reading and replying... Including my grandchildren

    And still not a moment closer to resolving the issue at hand

  5. #755
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ID:	653573Robert, You are avoiding the question, so let me rephrase it to help you out. You said the time my partner and I put in does not count.
    Do you think time YOU put in on a job should count. If you are capable give me a yes or no. NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. You look at it as $$$. I look at it as a fair split based on effort put forth. In reality no one knows what is comming out of the hole. The cachier might have used some of the money, or even returned and liberater it many years ago. By the way, those offcolor remarks only reflect on your character, they don't bother me in the least.

    Crispin, sounds good and would do wonders in a regular business deal, but a cache hunter never,never talks about his past finds and that is carved in stone. My hearing is bad so batting the breeze is out and I never ask what he is going to do with his cut and vice versa. Sure it's business, but in a different world. Good post
    Last edited by Frankn; Jul 13, 2012 at 03:23 PM. Reason: typo

  6. #756
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    I think my time is worth money when it's my job that I was tasked to do. If i just do something out of the blue that's not my job it's a gamble. My daughter just found that out she washed my dads truck before asking him hoping he would just give her some cash. Well she got done and he thanked her no money was given. She told me I thought pappy would have giving me something I told her no deal was made next time ask.

  7. #757
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    ppratt, You know what you just said? Since you are not tasked to do anything, YOUR TIME IS WORTLESS!!!!!!!!
    Pay the girl, you cheapskate. She does a job out of love and you turn into Scrooge!!!!!!Click image for larger version. 

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  8. #758
    Kentucky Kache
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Hi Frankn,
    I have zero experience at THing but I know a whole lot about people and getting a long with difficult people. The problem boils down to satisfying his ego without getting your ego hurt. You put a lot of work and effort into this project and deserve to be compensated appropriately. The landowner will never understand this. He probably feels that he deserves 90% of it because it is his land. I doubt either one of you will see this differently. You need to shift the point of focus and the nature of the discussion.

    Try taking him out for a meal or to the pub. Show him all the leg work you have put in on a previously successful treasurehunt. He will see how hard you worked but it will not reveal anything about the current treasure. Compliment him, feed his narcissism. Put your ego aside and focus on the main goal...getting the treasure. I would also point out that you are both losing money on leaving the treasure in the ground because you can invest it and profit off it. Maybe find out if he wants a new car or something similiar. Tell him what you plan on using the money for and why you cannot afford to take a significant cut. After you get on friendly terms maybe offer a symbolic split to pacify him like 52/48. Remember that you are making a sales pitch, "The answer NO is simply a request for my information." Keep on friendly terms with him and make contact often. If you do not talk to him then you will never make a deal. Waiting things out usually leads to stubborness and less likely for people to give in. You can try reading the old book, "How to win friends and influence people." I think it would be worth your time. If you are serious about learning this process send me a private email and I would be happy to help guide you.
    Good luck.
    In other words, pitch him an infomercial. Not everyone is gullible like those who order gadgets from TV ads, and since this guy is a land investor, I assume he's no dummy. Unfortunately, not everyone can see through that fake jive, but many can.

    Frank, where do you get the notion that cache hunters never talk about their past finds? That may be true for forums, but with a potintiol customer, I'd tell him about my successes.

  9. #759

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankn View Post
    Robert, You are avoiding the question, so let me rephrase it to help you out. You said the time my partner and I put in does not count.
    Do you think time YOU put in on a job should count. If you are capable give me a yes or no.
    I'm avoiding a question? Wow, are you really this thickheaded in real life? Maybe that is why you are getting nowhere on this deal after more than a year.

    The time I put in at my PAID job is valued at whatever pay I am owed by either contract or agreement. It has nothing to do with what the boss thinks. He pays me for my job and I go about my business.

    NO ONE told you to start researching this cache. The LO is not your boss and owes you exactly ZERO for any time you put in on your own time. You are not and were not ever in his employ, so he owes you jack squat. As I said before, if I was the LO and you came at me with your "you owe me" attitude, I would have told you to long ago. How you can argue that the man "owes" you anything for your time is pathetic. He owes you nothing. And the fact that you think it should be split 3 ways is even more pathetic. YOU are the one who has a partner, not the LO. Again, the fact that you argue this is both pathetic and baseless.

    You have some coming up to (or emailing) the landowner and telling him that he has some treasure on HIS land and that you will dig it up and split it with him 66% to 33% in your favor. Yes, big balls indeed at least behind a computer or piece of mail. If you really had some balls or even ethics as you say, you would knock on the mans door or place of business and discuss it face to face. He thinks you are full of as do I. And I would bet both myself and the LO are spot on.

    NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. You look at it as $$$. I look at it as a fair split based on effort put forth. In reality no one knows what is comming out of the hole. The cachier might have used some of the money, or even returned and liberater it many years ago.
    You are so full of it. Again, YOU are the one who WANTED to put in the time and money. The LO did not want nor ask you to. To say that you are asking for a "fair split" based on your effort is hilarious at best. He owes you NOTHING, period.

    If a team of traveling gypsies came and sprayed new tar on your driveway prior to asking your permission and then came and asked you to pay them, would you? If you would, you just got scammed. A normal person would tell them to take a hike. They put in the work without asking and they deserve exactly nothing.


    Quote Originally Posted by ppratt View Post
    I think my time is worth money when it's my job that I was tasked to do. If i just do something out of the blue that's not my job it's a gamble.
    It doesn't get any easier than that, yet Frankn will still argue the point.


    And once again Frankn since you still have not answered after repeated attempts to get a simple answer.

    Why is it OK to get $4M from the cache, but not $3M?

    Do you think you can actually answer that very simple question without sidestepping it? You must hang out with as he is also very adept at sidestepping actual facts and inserting his own dribble.

    The fact remains that you are full of and you know it. Problem is that you are so deep in thisthat you can't find a way out. Pathetic, just plain, pathetic.
    Last edited by Treasure_Hunter; Jul 14, 2012 at 11:41 PM.

  10. #760
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankn
    ppratt, You know what you just said? Since you are not tasked to do anything, YOUR TIME IS WORTLESS!!!!!!!!
    Pay the girl, you cheapskate. She does a job out of love and you turn into Scrooge!!!!!!<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=653580"/>
    I didn't say that at all how did you get that out of what i said? she didn't ask questions first just like you didn't now she didn't get paid and you are out on your butt also. Why should I pay it wasn't my car. What's that teaching her. If she did the job out of love then no money should be ask for I only do things I get paid for. I don't do anything if I don't get anything in return. How's that for my time is worthless.

  11. #761

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppratt View Post
    I didn't say that at all how did you get that out of what i said? she didn't ask questions first just like you didn't now she didn't get paid and you are out on your butt also. Why should I pay it wasn't my car. What's that teaching her. If she did the job out of love then no money should be ask for I only do things I get paid for. I don't do anything if I don't get anything in return. How's that for my time is worthless.
    It don't matter man. Frankn chooses to ignore logic and facts. He would rather be right in his own little world even though 99% out of 750+ posts are telling him he is wrong. But hey, what does the rest of the world know if you are right no matter what, right Frank?

    I'm still waiting for an actual answer to the question posed above. (even though I know he will never give one because he is lying in the first place)

  12. #762
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    So many things here to comment on, but almost seems there is no use. Most of us would like to see Frankn come to a deal, but stubbornness is winning. Yeah Robert, I realize that there is a possibility that this thread was started as a theoretical question, and maybe got out of hand, and there is no bird in the bush. On the other hand, its been a nice diversion, and brings up questions that many have thought about. No one wants to give away THEIR treasure, but sometimes that is the only way to get anything. Of course Frankn sees us as GIVING away his share of the treasure, so now it is a battle of wits, but started by Frankn himself. He asked for opinions and got more than he expected, and now is just wasting time, trying to convince everyone that they are wrong.

    I know many people that have garages and barns full of Stuff they have bought and hoped to make a profit on, but time has passed them by, and the Stuff is out of date, but they are still clinging to old memories of when this was worth something, and wont sell now for almost any price. People even pay for storage lockers to keep worthless stuff. Frankn's Stuff of course wont get out of date, but it could be found by someone else or the property could be sold and fenced in, then what? Deals are not made in stone, and the idea that cache hunters never talk of past finds is just plain silly, it just shows that maybe there are no past finds. Past finds dont have to be printed in the local news, but it this case, talking with the LO, it would show some experience and professionalism. I doubt at this point sweet talking will work, he will see through that in a hurry, but being professional will go a long way. Telling the LO that you would like to get to know his dog better or asking about his daughters birthday, will just pi$$ him off. This e-mail thing will not work, everyone knows that. The LO might have already put that e-mail in with the Nigerian mail. No word on the registered letter that was sent, so what happened with that?

    Frankn, just give up on your high morals or what ever they are, and make the deal, get the cache, and you will soon forget the silly days of trying to get the extra mill. You will only remember the long and exciting hunt, and the thrill of finally digging that hole and seeing coins sparkling in the sun. Maybe even counting your blessings that you didnt have to dispose of that extra million.

  13. #763
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    Kache, I have talked to many cach hunters and never have I heard in detail the finding of an actual cash. There is even a book out by a cache hunter that went after many caches, but in the book he never found one. SURE! The guy had to eat. Sure they exchange stories of caches, but no details of finds.

    Robertwhite,but robert,I didn't say it was OK to get $4M but not $3M you did, so answer your own statement.
    You say your pay has nothing to do with what the boss thinks? Guess again!
    You say he owes me nothing, that is correct, but also, I owe him nothing. It works both ways.
    Your offcolor remarks make you a marked man.

    ppratt, " I don't do anything if I don't get anything in return." Ever hear of CHARITY?


    Maipenrai: You say cache hunters talk about their finds! How about the details on your largest find?
    And yes, I am having fun watching watching posters who have to resort to offcolor wording in order to express themselves improperly.
    Sure I have thought about taking the 25%, but this is a waiting game as I have mentioned further back. Sure I would like to spend some of that money, but so would he. There is an old saying, " things that are worthwhile are worth waiting for." , but in todays grab what I can while I can that has been forgotten. Yes, I was raised in a far different world! The hand shake is just a meaningless jesture now.

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  14. #764
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    Frankn, I never said cache hunters go into detail about their finds, or even go to a public forum and spill out a lot of clues. Have I found a cache, NO. Have I found part of a cargo of coins from a ship wreck, YES. Would I tell everyone here all about it, NO.

    Im sure your enough of a story teller, to talk with the LO about caches you may have found, without spilling out all the details, and he wouldnt spill out all the details about how he does his land investments either. Why do you have to turn this into a contest? Who is talking about hand shakes, you have never met the LO, so how do you know if his hand shake is worthless? He may be thinking, that in the "old days", people met face to face, not send silly e-mails, so he could be just as old fashioned as you. Which world were you raised in? Seems you were raised in the world where you come on to a forum and try to get ideas on how to get the biggest cut of the pie, because the LO doesnt deserve anything, because he didnt do anything. You didnt get all the support that you wanted, so you spend time arguing

    If you dont want to meet the LO, then just bomb him with e-mails, Im sure he will give in and let you have 100%. Or your tactic of out waiting him out sounds like a winner also,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankn View Post
    Robertwhite,but robert,I didn't say it was OK to get $4M but not $3M you did, so answer your own statement.
    You didn't? Gee that's funny, as you stated many times that you would gladly split the assumed $12M with the LO for 1/3 each, but since he told you he wanted 50% you would not even discuss it. So for those with a lack of comprehension, that means you are fine with $4M but refuse to discuss it over $3M.

    Does that spell it out clearly enough for you?


    You say your pay has nothing to do with what the boss thinks? Guess again!
    OK, so why don't you explain your position since you obviously know more than anyone on this board.

    You say he owes me nothing, that is correct, but also, I owe him nothing. It works both ways.
    Once again you refuse to answer the question. What part of he could care less about you and your "cut" don't you understand. You say you owe him nothing, we collectively say he is sitting on the money so you will get nothing because of your elitist attitude. In the end, who wins that little game? Oh that's right, the landowner.

    Your offcolor remarks make you a marked man.
    Is that some kind of veiled threat? I sure hope not.

    As I have said many times already. You are a complete and a utter if you think everyone in this thread believes your tale. There is no giant cache, there is no gold coins, and there is a very high probability that you are sitting in your mommys' basement typing all your dribble. You have yet to answer a single question anyone has asked without trying to skate around it and you get all defensive when called on your BS. Can't take the heat because
    Tell you what. Show us all one teeny tiny bit of indisputable evidence that you are not and I will never post in another one of your threads again.
    Last edited by Treasure_Hunter; Jul 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM. Reason: Language Insults

 

 
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