Oregon Dredge fee Bill SB 765

[TheRandyMan]

I, for one, am sincerely saddened and sorry for California.

A stunningly beautiful state that has been stolen by those who least deserve it and these thieves, ...um, politicians, in turn, have stolen the heritage and rights of its citizens.

I just cannot understand why those citizens continue to elect to office the same thieves...er, politicians, over and over and over and over and over and over and over..............

Barbara Boxer?

Diane Feinstein

JERRY BROWN

Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that anything would be any different if others had won the election but the informal definition of insanity is that you continue to do the same thing over and over again expecting a different end result. That would pretty much define what has gone on for decades in California. The long term solution escapes me at the moment...but at the very least I would have kicked out the "same old same old" and tried some new blood for once.

 

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[jog]

From what I have read it doesn't sound like fish have anything to do with it. Am I wrong?

 

[Gravel Hog]

Geographically speaking most of California vote for a change but it was no competition to the urban voters.
As always, us mountian folks have to live and die by the citydweller's ways.

 

[kuger]

Geographically speaking most of California vote for a change but it was no competition to the urban voters.
As always, us mountian folks have to live and die by the citydweller's ways.

Exactly,and %90 of the population is far from us,and are transplants from all the other states,the whole U.S. should thank us for harboring all the people that should have been drowned at birth from everywhere else!

 

[ivan salis]

massed urban voters vs rural voters --the inner city crowd makes sure to get out the "vote" and thus they tend to control the elective process , the big city folks keep reelecting the same big city do nothing but issue "welfare" money policy -- life time politicans into office which has led to the bankrupting of some states in the long haul

 

[kuger]

massed urban voters vs rural voters --the inner city crowd makes sure to get out the "vote" and thus they tend to control the elective process , the big city folks keep reelecting the same big city do nothing but issue "welfare" money policy -- life time politicans into office which has led to the bankrupting of some states in the long haul

Yes,picture perfect Cali.People also casting votes on things they dont have the slightest clue about,just what lies they have swallowed and what seem's "vogue",to them

 

[calisdad]

Jog,
It doesn't have anything to do with the fish. Salmon are the pawns and anyone who's played chess knows pawns die first.

It seems the Repubs have orchestrated and end around to avoid due process:

(Got this from "Water 4 Fish" today.)


February 2011 Newsletter

Fatal Salmon Provisions Pass the House of Representatives

On Saturday February 19th the House passed a Continuing Resolution Bill which is needed to keep the Federal Government running after March 4th 2011. The bill included three fatal amendments for California salmon. The first stops the spending of the National Marine Fisheries Service in enforcing the biological opinions that protect the Central Valley salmon and steelhead from extinction. The second takes away the funding from the San Joaquin River Restoration project and the third defunds the Klamath Basin Settlement agreement. The amendments were inserted into the bill by Representatives Devon Nunes of Visalia and Tom McClintock of Granite Bay. They were supported by the Republican majority and the bill passed. Our salmon supporters in the House fought hard against the amendments but were overruled in the vote.


The Senate now takes up the bill. If the Central Valley provisions stay in the bill, salmon recovery is hopeless. Not only does the bill wipe out the salmon populations but it destroys the positive state efforts that are now underway to balance water needs with ecosystem recovery. We must get them removed in the Senate. We need hundreds of letters to go to Senators Feinstein and Boxer to ask for help. Please write a letter and ask your friends to do the same. We have prepared draft letters in the Water4Fish.org website. Go to Water4Fish.org and click on “Send Letters to Legislators”. Call up one of the draft letters. You can then highlight the text and copy and paste it into your word processor. If you want quicker letters, print the Golden Gate Salmon Assn. letters attached to this email and sign, print your name and address and fax them. Time is important. When the Senate gets back from the current recess, they will only have four days to address the bill before the March 4th cutoff.



See the new “Salmon Water Now” video titled “Back Off” on the salmon disaster the House bill creates. Click on:



2010 Fall Run Salmon Returns Improve. A 2011 Fishing Season Looks Promising

The seven year steady declines in fall run salmon counts turned around in 2010. Preliminary Fish and Game data shows that 133,014 fall run adults and 30,181 two year old jacks returned to the Sacramento San Joaquin system. These figures are over three times the returns of 2009. This may provide enough fish for a 2011 season but the crisis is not over. The fall run is the only one that showed any short range improvement. The two ESA listed runs continue to show serious declines. Emergency state and federal attention to the Delta and river problems which are the causes of the declines are still needed, Following are the recent figures.






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[arizonaames]

The problems are these:

1, In northern CA, the logging industry (the indians are the loggers and the main work force for the national forest service there) has been going after the goldminers since I can remember and there were murders and shootouts between the two in the 80s when I lived over the mountain in Coos Bay (part of the State of Jefferson). I am sure that logging interests are donating money to state legislators' coffers to stop people from coming 60 miles off the beaten path to see the bare forests. The national forest service, who employs almost strictly local indians, is supposed to be intrusted to take care of the people's land (it is not the indians' land) but with donations to congress, you now know the outcome.

2, The armchair environmental groups funded the indians on the Klamath to bring a lawsuit to stop dredging claiming that dredging was hurting their fishing. They did not mention that the indians were putting gill nets stagered half way across the river (all across the river staggered).

3, The Big mining companies and large corporate ranch owners, many of them foreign, are giving millions to federal legislators in order to kick legal small claim owners off of their claims so that they can refile the claims and keep small miners off of BLM land and national forest lands. This is happening in all states, NV, WY, CO, CA. OR, etc..

4, All of this accelerated 10 years ago with a republican controlled senate and executive branch that was and still is (same folks in charge of the agencies) in favor of big business and to hell with the small pukes that just wanted a hobby and to bring their money to states that allowed their hobby to exist. It seems like money is the grease that allows politicians to screw the american people while getting life time health care for themselves and their families and a hefty retirement for the rest of their lives.

 

[Gravel Hog]

What are you Smoking??

 

[kuger]

He obviously hasnt been around too many of the many Indians I have been around......not many of them working!!!!They dont want to work.I worked many years in the woods logging too,and cant say I ever worked with one.

I do agree with #2 though

 

[Gravel Hog]

OK #2 is 1/2 TRUE, Indian Casino Funded. Ok, back to the so called Salmon Problem. An Easy fix STOP EATING THEM!!!!! (THIS includes ALL FORMS OF FISHING) No Spawn > No Fish Return, Duh.

Gold Dredgers were just the easy scapegoats. And The citydwellers bought it very easily. Keep eating 'em, have a little side of mercury with it!!!!

The Salmon problem goes way back and was very much influenced by the Indians Read This:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1095010/index.htm

 

[Bearkat]

Hahah... blame Dave McCracken, oh my........no wonder miners are so divided. Well For ones information, the new 49er's never held a claim on the sacred Karuk fishing spot...I've been there and it has never been apart of 49er claims.

Second, I live in Oregon and there were 81 out of state mining permits issued in Oregon compared to 1200 OR residents. Its just a senators personal feelings that he has inside himself about Californians or others and he decides to make his feelings LAW. He's from California by the way. The liberals make laws according to how they feel about something instead of facts and science.

What it is about in Happy Camp is the liberals whispered in the ears of the Indians starting way back in the 60's telling them that white man did them wrong...before that everyone THERE got along until those seeds were planted. The dredge moritorium is just a part of that big liberal picture. I hailed this info from a 90 year old man lives in Happy Camp area all his life telling me how and what and who made this all come about in that neck of the woods.

But noooooo...its still McCrackens fault. While you bitch and complain about the 49ers your rights will be taken and you didnt do anything about it. Reap what you sow! Its the Fu**ing liberals fault!!!!!

No, its still Daves fault...ah...... the closed minded rednecks still alive and well here in the almost good ole USA.

 

[Bearkat]

Usually people that do the bashing...like toward Arizonaames when he displays some real facts...are always wrong...classic psychology 101. Liberals do that technique in debates. Put one down to make yourself look better...brilliant.....I expect more from gold miners.

And how does this help our being attacked on our dredging and mining rights?

Pride comes before a fall.....

 

[kuger]

Hmmm Bearcat,that seems awfully odd that you claim to have such an inside yet know so little.I state what I did from fact.first hand fact.Oh yea,and by the way,I probably put in more money than most make in a year