Help with Identifying Fraternal or Collegiate pitcher?

[dumpsterdiver]

This pitcher is driving me crazy. I went to a local sale and picked up this pitcher by the National Art China Co. Trenton NJ. When I first started searching I found some information that told about the company and I believe they went out of business in 1911. However, since I found that I can no longer even locate that page. And yes, I cleared out my history because I thought it would help my internet run faster.

I can find that it appears they manufactured fraternal and collegiate mugs. I've spent a couple hours trying to find this Guy on a flying carpet. Its about 12'' tall. There are some letters but I think I am interpreting them incorrectly because I have not found anything close.

 

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[mjm579]

Any connection to Phoenix Free Masonry group?

 

[MRBeyer]

My thought is it is a knights of columbus sub group.

 

[GibH]

My thought is it is a knights of columbus sub group.

Very doubtful. Knights of Columbus is a Catholic organization. They wouldn't have those symbols of magic on their stuff. Now a Shriner group I could see.

 

[diggummup]

I've searched for a while. I can't find anything myself. I like the pitcher and it is a bonifide antique. I see the letters as POC in an old English style.

 

[dumpsterdiver]

Very doubtful. Knights of Columbus is a Catholic organization. They wouldn't have those symbols of magic on their stuff. Now a Shriner group I could see.

This seems to be a good guess at least its a proven fact they like magic carpets.

 

[dumpsterdiver]

I've searched for a while. I can't find anything myself. I like the pitcher and it is a bonifide antique. I see the letters as POC in an old English style.

Thanks. I thought it said POC but I figured if that was right I should be able to come up with something. I really thought it was cool but I assume the value is tied to knowing the group.

I'm afraid if this mystery is not solved here I do not know of another group better suited to figure it out.

 

[Paleo_joe]

Pullman Orient Express?

 

[bdsawyer]

Is it possibly a Philadelphia (or another p city) Oriental Consistory?

 

[Mackaydon]

Here's one of the same style.
Porcelain pitcher with transfer bust of a Native | Bidsquare
National Art China Co was a pottery company that only lasted from 1899-1911
Don......

 

[dumpsterdiver]

My main local competition sometimes sell china from cruise ships and trains and its much more durable pottery. I believe (the pitcher) is what is know as belleek pottery.

I did find this Shriners stein does feature similar moon made by a company in Trenton as well.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-shriners-lulu-temple-tankard-pitcher

I think if I was able to locate a little more information about the early Shriners temples I would be on to something.

 

[dumpsterdiver]

Here's one of the same style.
Porcelain pitcher with transfer bust of a Native | Bidsquare
National Art China Co was a pottery company that only lasted from 1899-1911
Don......

Thanks Don, I hadn't found that one. I like the Indian. I guess you were able to find the page I can't find anymore.

 

[diggummup]

My main local competition sometimes sell china from cruise ships and trains and its much more durable pottery. I believe this is what is know as belleek pottery. But that would be cool.

I did find this Shriners stein does feature similar moon made by a company in Trenton as well.

Vintage Shriners - Lulu Temple Tankard / Pitcher (03/09/2008)

I think if I was able to locate a little more information about the early Shriners temples I would be on to something.

Belleek pottery is from Ireland. It is usually very thin and fragile bisque fired porcelain. Definitely not related to what is typically referred to as "Restaurant ware," which is in the same category as china from cruise ships and trains, planes and of course restaurants.

 

[dumpsterdiver]

Belleek pottery is from Ireland. It is usually very thin and fragile bisque fired porcelain. Definitely not related to what is typically referred to as "Restaurant ware," which is in the same category as china from cruise ships and trains, planes and of course restaurants.

Thanks for clearing that up. The pitcher is the thin breakable kind. It already has a repair. Belleek was for lack of a better term.

My local competition sells the "resturantware" but he gets much better prices for it than I would but figuring out what hotel a plate is from is something of a labor of love.

 

[diggummup]

My local competition sells the "resturantware" but he gets much better prices for it than I would but figuring out what hotel a plate is from is something of a labor of love.

There is a website for that- The Restaurant Ware Collectors Network