Jun 28, 2012, 03:53 PM
Ace, just remember, all those type clauses that disallow "disturbance", "alteration" "defacement" "vandalism", and so forth, ALL distinctly imply the end result. So by logical definition, if you leave the area exactly as you found it (left no trace of your presence), then, technically, you have not "disturbed", "altered", "defaced", or "vandalized" ANYTHING, now have you? Sure someone can dispute our semantics on this, and take issue with the temporary evil interim process of extraction. Sure. Simply avoid them, because there's no way you're going to avoid the connotations this hobby has, and get permission to vandalize, alter, destroy, and deface any park. Those rules are in every park, everywhere, in the entire USA, on every level (city, county, and state). I mean, duh, who is going to allow you to "vandalize" things? So you simply can not define yourself in those terms. Otherwise, you've lost the battle already. Find another hobby.
Now the other issue in your text, about prohibiting removing of "historic ... artifacts" .... well, I suspect that if you asked them for a definition, they'd probably say "anything 50 yrs. old or older". Again this will be an issue of if you ask enough questions, you can ALWAYS preclude yourself, from the most innocuous of sandboxes (just throw out words like "dig", and "treasure" and "arpa" and "indian bone" and "liability" to enough city workers, and I can gaurantee you, that I can get any sandbox shut down for everyone). But ask yourself: Is anyone really standing over your shoulder, with a calculator, doing the math on the dates of the coins you find? I mean ....... really now. Just tell them your finding clad, or looking for that ring your wife lost there last week!
Originally Posted by Ace350
Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!
Jun 28, 2012 03:53 PM
Jun 28, 2012, 04:07 PM
I always ask permission to hunt whether a State park, City park, old churches, ball fields or private property. one local city park has the park rules posted at the entrance to the park. one rule is no metal detectors, I asked and received permission to hunt. In two years I have not been turned down and have not had to watch over my shoulder, makes hunting a lot easier.
Jun 28, 2012, 06:51 PM
Ridgecrawler, regarding the place that had a specific "no detecting", sure, ask away. But I must address the quote from you above:
Originally Posted by ridgecrawler
This reply is not an uncommon one, put forth by people when this subject comes up. It works like this: A person asks for permission at a public place, and receives a "yes." So then, in-lieu of this topic, they think "what's the problem? I've asked, and gotten a yes, so therefore, it's a good thing I asked". Or even if they get a "no", they still think the same thing "gee, it's a good thing I asked then! pheeww".
But do you see the logical error of this? Getting either a "yes" or a "no" STILL does not mean "ergo, it was good to have asked" or that "see, others should ask". Because did you really think the person fielding your question, was going to say
"Oh that's silly. Why are you asking me? You don't need to ask that. If it's not prohibited, why would you be asking us that?".
No. On the contrary. Whomever you ask will bestow on you their princely "no" or "yes", because afterall: the mere fact you're standing in front of them asking, merely implies that their permission, was needed, TO BEGIN WITH (lest why would you be standing their asking, if it didn't need some sort of sanction?).
So persons who walk out of city halls with "yes's" or "no's", don't mean a whole lot, other than you asked someone what their personal whims were, and ...... depending on their mood, and the way you phrased it, you got a yes or a no. It does not mean "ergo, people should ask". Glad you got yes's! Just curious: did you be sure to mention "digging"? Or did you just use the euphamism "metal detect"?
I don't "look over my shoulder" either
Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!
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