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  1. #91
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    Every Day on Average (ages 0-19)

    Every day, 46 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
    Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence:

    • 4 are murdered
    • 3 die from suicide

    Every day, 40 children and teens are shot and survive:

    • 31 injured in an attack
    • 1 survives a suicide attempt
    • 8 shot unintentionally

    Every Day on Average (all ages)
    Every day, 318 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
    Every day, 96 people die from gun violence:

    • 34 are murdered
    • 59 die from suicide
    • 1 killed unintentionally
    • 1 killed by legal intervention
    • 1 died but was intent unknown

    Every day, 222 people are shot and survive:

    • 164 injured in an attack
    • 10 survive a suicide attempt
    • 45 shot unintentionally
    • 3 are shot in a legal intervention



    In One Year on Average (ages 0-19)

    17,102 American children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.
    2,737 kids die from gun violence:

    • 1,606 murdered
    • 958 die from suicide
    • 110 killed unintentionally
    • 26 killed by legal intervention
    • 36 die but intent was unknown

    14,365 kids survive gun injuries:

    • 11,321 injured in an attack
    • 232 survive a suicide attempt
    • 2,747 shot unintentionally
    • 65 shot in a legal intervention

    In America, 1 out of 3 homes with kids have guns and nearly 1.7 million children live in a home with an unlocked, loaded gun.
    In One Year on Average (all ages)

    116,255 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.
    35,141 people die from gun violence

    • 12,246 murdered
    • 21,637 die from suicide
    • 500 killed unintentionally
    • 479 killed by legal intervention
    • 279 die but intent was unknown

    81,114 people survive gun injuries:

    • 60,041 injured in an attack
    • 3,700 survive a suicide attempt
    • 16,428 shot unintentionally
    • 945 people are shot by legal intervention
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    Oh boy some mainstream propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperj View Post
    Every Day on Average (ages 0-19)

    [FONT="]Every day, 46 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence:[/FONT]

    • 4 are murdered
    • 3 die from suicide

    [FONT="]Every day, 40 children and teens are shot and survive:[/FONT]

    • 31 injured in an attack
    • 1 survives a suicide attempt
    • 8 shot unintentionally

    [FONT="]Every Day on Average (all ages)[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Every day, 318 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Every day, 96 people die from gun violence: [/FONT]

    • 34 are murdered
    • 59 die from suicide
    • 1 killed unintentionally
    • 1 killed by legal intervention
    • 1 died but was intent unknown

    [FONT="]Every day, 222 people are shot and survive:[/FONT]

    • 164 injured in an attack
    • 10 survive a suicide attempt
    • 45 shot unintentionally
    • 3 are shot in a legal intervention

    [FONT="]
    [/FONT]

    In One Year on Average (ages 0-19)

    [FONT="]17,102 American children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]2,737 kids die from gun violence:[/FONT]

    • 1,606 murdered
    • 958 die from suicide
    • 110 killed unintentionally
    • 26 killed by legal intervention
    • 36 die but intent was unknown

    [FONT="]14,365 kids survive gun injuries:[/FONT]

    • 11,321 injured in an attack
    • 232 survive a suicide attempt
    • 2,747 shot unintentionally
    • 65 shot in a legal intervention

    [FONT="]In America, 1 out of 3 homes with kids have guns and nearly 1.7 million children live in a home with an unlocked, loaded gun. [/FONT]
    In One Year on Average (all ages)

    [FONT="]116,255 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]35,141 people die from gun violence[/FONT]

    • 12,246 murdered
    • 21,637 die from suicide
    • 500 killed unintentionally
    • 479 killed by legal intervention
    • 279 die but intent was unknown

    81,114 people survive gun injuries:

    • 60,041 injured in an attack
    • 3,700 survive a suicide attempt
    • 16,428 shot unintentionally
    • 945 people are shot by legal intervention
    You want to include suicide in murder rates ,you are kinda stretching matters. As with when shot by police. Arming them (police) with sticks alone would sour morel and reduce those interested in being police. But feel free to enforce the laws where you live unarmed ,if you qualify for such prestige.
    A gun is not a cause of suicide ,or the only manner in which one can be carried out. Regardless it is self inflicted.

    Feel free to post Canadian statistics showing the recent tremendous increase in gun violence. Nevermind the licensed folk who are hard to find in gun crime reports anyways.
    Oh wait ,statistics are not available .....hmmmm. Why is that?

    Where do you rate in the European union in violence? Still number four ,or has recent figures increased your status?

    [These meetings should be driven by a single question: how can a country with strict laws on purchasing and carrying firearms see such an exponential increase in gun violence over the span of a few years?

    Comparing gun violence to other countries isnít essential in order to see Canada has a serious problem. When mayors and police chiefs in diverse cities like Surrey, Regina, Calgary, Edmonton, Halifax, Ottawa, and Toronto have publicly spoken about their struggles to grapple with rising gun violence, there is a problem. And this problem should elicit the same horror amongst Canadians as mass shootings in cities faraway.]

    So, what's goin on?
    Last edited by releventchair; Apr 05, 2018 at 10:21 PM.
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    "In fact, according to the Australian government’s own statistics, a number of serious crimes peaked in the years after the ban. Manslaughter, sexual assault, kidnapping, armed robbery, and unarmed robbery all saw peaks in the years following the ban, and most remain near or above pre-ban rates. The effects of the 1996 ban on violent crime are, frankly, unimpressive at best.

    It’s even less impressive when again compared to America’s decrease in violent crime over the same period. According to data from the U.S. Justice Department, violent crime fell nearly 72 percent between 1993 and 2011. Again, this happened as guns were being manufactured and purchased at an ever-increasing rate.

    So although you have fewer firearm-related deaths when you disarm law-abiding civilians, violent crime increases, because there is now NO deterrence to criminals. Even a criminal with a knife can rob, rape and murder someone who is unarmed."

    Taken from "Wintery Knight" publication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeBirdTim View Post
    How many stories do you read where someone metal detecting got robbed? Maybe one a year? Probably not even that many. Let's be serious here. Metal detecting with a gun strapped to your hip is only going to get you grief from people. If I see some guy with a gun doing anything (even metal detecting) near a school, baseball field or a park, I'm calling the cops. Just the way it is right now.

    Bottom line, this is not the time to be carrying a gun anywhere in public. Not a commentary, just a statement of fact. Find another way to defend yourself, if you're so afraid of being mugged.
    I am always packing and you are in titled to your opinion but I am one of millions in this country that don't agree with you if more people would carry there would be a whole lot less crap going on just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honest Samuel View Post
    Not everybody who have smart phones are smart.
    You no what they say about smart phones don't you Honest Samuel they are only as smart as the idiot using them
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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperj View Post
    Every Day on Average (ages 0-19)

    [FONT="]Every day, 46 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.[/FONT]
    Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence:
    [/LIST]
    Snipped for brevity's sake.

    How do those numbers compare to the rates (of death/injury) for medical errors?

    Vehicular accidents?

    What do those numbers look like when the statistics from major cities are removed?

    (I know the answer to that question - it isn't kind to the side that pushes for infringements)

    (Actually, I know the answer to the previous questions too - again, unfriendly to the pro infringement crowd)

    Were I to dig deep enough I am positive that I can find all sorts of data that makes Canada look bad. Heck, if I'm willing to use questionable statistics, or cherry-picked data, I'm quite certain that I can make Canada look absolutely horrible to those who don't know any better.

    The question is why would I - or anyone - do that? I'm not a citizen of Canada. I don't actually know a lot about the laws in Canada, or the flow of power in Canada. Nor is it actually any of my business. If Canadians wish to disarm themselves - I'm perfectly fine with Canadians doing what they want. As I said, it isn't any of my business.

    My rights are my business. This nation was founded on the concept of individual freedoms and limited government. There are plenty of citizens (here) who don't fully comprehend what that means; certainly it would be unreasonable to expect foreigners to understand just what a difference that makes.

    It's not that you're incapable of comprehending the value of freedom; it's just that you're not used to the idea of rights holding sway over whims. Given the chance to experience it, I'm relatively sure you'd be quite fond of the policy.

    That's no slight toward your person. Freedom isn't always pretty; sometimes it can be more than a little ugly. No matter though, because individual rights matter far more than some spiffy government with all sorts of power over its subjects.

    Medical errors make the gun statistics seem like child's play. It isn't a close contest. Yet only a fool would demand that we strip all medical procedures from existence. Nor would a sane person think it reasonable to punish all in the medical community simply because a few have caused great harm.

    We don't issue tickets to all who have a license to drive, in the misguided belief that we'll somehow cut down on irresponsible driving by punishing those who aren't guilty.

    More pointedly - practicing medicine, as with driving a vehicle on public roads, is not a right. Unlike the right to bear arms, those actions are mere privileges and subject (legally) to the whims and standards set forth by government.

    Yet there are many who see the foolishness of punishing all who engage in privilege, but have no issue with punishing all who would engage in their inherent rights? It's an odd thing how some people's lust for control can make them blind to the folly of their whims - but only to the point of themselves being the target for infringement. Then things are different. Then rights matter, but not one second prior.

    Suppose that you, as a Canadian citizen in good standing, have inherent rights that are unalienable. Granted, I do not know one way or the other, but let us suppose you do. Of those rights, which rights would you have infringed? Why would you stop said infringement at the point chosen? Would your mind change if others really want your other rights infringed as well? Would it matter if I, as a foreigner with no business in Canada's policies, cited a bunch of questionable statistics that painted your nation in a bad light? Would it matter, to you, if I really despised something - anything - (let's pretend I hate forks) that was a fundamental part of your rights?

    How much would I have to dislike something, before you'd give in a let me control that aspect of your life? How could you be sure that I wouldn't want more and more control - after you've already agreed to let me infringe upon your rights? How could you be sure that I wouldn't trample all over all of your rights?

    What if I merely wanted to set conditions, that must be met prior to engaging in your rights? Would you agree, or would you point out the fact that rights do not require permissions?

    It isn't about lives lost or harm caused. If it were, there are numerous other actions that cost more lives and cause more harm. And I hadn't mentioned abortion prior to this - but you can count that one as absolute proof that it isn't about innocent lives taken away.

    It is about control. Not of a tool that is used far more for good (as opposed to bad). No, it is about controlling people. It is about controlling what they can do, what they can say, and how they live. It is about taking power away from the individual and giving it to the absolute worst master possible - government.

    I see, with relative frequency, posts on this very forum lamenting the loss of public areas available to hunt. I've not seen a single post defending the heavy-handed approach taken by the various governments involved in shutting down access to lands owned by the people. The end result is - the innocent being punished for the actions of a few idiots. Even you see that - at least I assume you do.

    Suppose metal detecting public properties was a right specifically protected in your constitution. Would you be open to negotiating the loss of your rights, simply because some didn't approve of metal detecting? What if they cited data and were citizens of the USA (who didn't like metal detecting)? Would that make you favor government infringement?

    Don't pretend, for even 1 second, that your government wouldn't infringe. It has and it will do so again and again. Such is the way of government.
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    I walk through the woods all the time with my dog off a leash of course now if my dog attacked you about the worst thing that would happen is your shoelaces might get untied but he does alert me to Critters and other potentially dangerous situations I do have to say I own my wood so I don't expect to run into anybody but I do get creeped out sometimes out there by myself so I take my 4lb. Wildebeast for security reasons
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    Whoops,looks like I punched a bunch a holes in the commie propaganda.Tisk,tisk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red James Cash View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Red James Cash View Post
    Whoops,looks like I punched a bunch a holes in the commie propaganda.Tisk,tisk.
    And your point is? This is taken right from your link, so it just shows more = more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bates View Post
    I walk through the woods all the time with my dog off a leash of course now if my dog attacked you about the worst thing that would happen is your shoelaces might get untied but he does alert me to Critters and other potentially dangerous situations I do have to say I own my wood so I don't expect to run into anybody but I do get creeped out sometimes out there by myself so I take my 4lb. Wildebeast for security reasons
    I myself went last night for a walk through part of my woods. My GSD went totally into guard dog stance took the lead to it's fullest. I was just wanting to see what upset him but it was gone, and he did a sweep of barking and stances. No worries, no need to get spooked, the only thing that I was guarded about was the numerous trees that had damage and were hung over the trails from the high winds that swept through the area. Harm is more likely will come from a widow maker and no gun will help me from a dead tree hitting me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.C. View Post
    ...and that's your choice, Coinman. That's what I love about this country...freedom of choice. I guess people in these other country's don't mind being un-armed serfs. I would much rather die a free man, than to exist as a slave.
    Quote Originally Posted by T.C. View Post
    ...I don't care to be insulted by serfs insinuating I'm "scared", just because I carry in certain situations. Your opinion on firearms is irrelevant to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by T.C. View Post
    You insinuated that "people" that carry while metal detecting are "scared." Don't be splitting hairs.
    T.C. Your insulating comments are liked by the moderate and that shows a bias opinion of the thoughts and beliefs. That I question why?
    Sir to stoop and paint everyone that doesn't tow the same line of belief is only showing ignorance to the truth.
    TH can hold up his own on his beliefs and my comments were in response to his, as his was to mine.
    For you to interject "YOUR" insulating diatribe on everybody isn't warranted.
    In applying a sucker punch from sideline of a debate between two others, really shows one's way of doing things in life, and that is quite sad.
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    Bottom line, we Americans will never ever surrender our right to "keep and bear arms" and it is non negotiable, it is a God given right which is guaranteed to us by our "Bill of Rights", any government attempt to out law or confiscate our weapons will result in an armed revolution.


    Supreme Court Justice Thomas, in an opinion released on February 20, 2018, criticized the lower courts for a "general failure to afford the 2nd Amendment the respect due an enumerated constitutional right."

    Per Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Yesterday, "the 2nd amendment will not be touched" .

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