THIS IS INSIDUOUS AND NEVER ENDING

SLNugget

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This was posted on a RV blog I subscribe to.


HR 5204 is written as an amendment to the current law, in the form of line-by-line additions, deletions, and substitutions, which makes it very difficult for the public to understand. (Probably this was the intention.) A detailed analysis of the major provisions of HR 5204 can been seen at this link. http://www.westernslopenofee.org/pdfuploads/HR5204_Applied_to_FLREA.pdf

More info here: Western Slope No Fee Coalition I have not vetted this organization so read and make your own conclusions. SLN

August 24, 2014

THE FEE-FREE PRESS

DEAR PUBLIC LANDS SUPPORTER ,

Action is urgently needed to stop a bill introduced in the House, and already rammed through Committee and ready for a floor vote. HR 5204 would authorize the Forest Service and BLM to charge fees for all public lands, for any activity, by any person, any time. Details follow. Please TAKE ACTION NOW!
Kitty Benzar

Welcome to the future.
Pay ahead.

STOP THIS BILL
HOUSE BILL WOULD ALLOW FEES FOR ALL PUBLIC LAND ACCESS

Just before the House adjourned for their August recess, HR 5204 The Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Modernization Act of 2014, was introduced by U.S. Representative Rob Bishop (R-UT) and rammed through the House Resources Committee, without a hearing, by its Chairman, U.S. Representative Doc Hastings (R-WA).

It’s likely that Bishop and Hastings are planning to get HR 5204 attached as a rider to the FY2015 appropriations bill. Although HR 5204 has attracted no sponsor in the Senate so far, it’s likely that if attached as an appropriations rider it will pass both chambers without scrutiny or public debate, and become the law of the land, because appropriations bills are considered “must pass” in order to avoid a government shutdown.

HR 5204, if enacted, could destroy the concept of public lands as places where everyone has access and is welcome. Every place, every activity, every person, could be required to pay a fee – an additional tax on top of the taxes that already support public lands – for access, regardless whether they are highly developed like National Parks and Forest Service or BLM campgrounds, or completely undeveloped like Wilderness Areas.

HR 5204 would allow the kind of fees that have not been controversial to continue, such as fees for developed campgrounds and National Park entrance fees. But in addition to those fees, it would allow general access fees for any federal recreational lands and waters. It would accomplish this by two types of fee: Day Use Fees and Permit Fees.

The only meaningful requirement for a Day Use Fee would be that where you park there is a toilet of some kind (could be a porta-potty or a stinky outhouse) within 1/2 mile.

The only meaningful requirement for a Permit Fee would be that where you park gives access to a “special area.” Neither “special” nor “area” is defined. The land agencies would have complete discretion to claim that any place at all is a “special area.”

So where there is a toilet it could be called a Day Use Fee. Where there is not a toilet, it could be called a Permit Fee. The result is the same: there would not be anyplace where a fee is not allowed. And since the agencies would get to keep all the fee money directly, there would be not be anywhere that they wouldn’t have a strong incentive to charge a fee.

Public lands? Forget that. Not any more. Not if this passes.

There is other stuff in HR 5204 (like no more fee-free days, citizenship checks on annual pass holders, and overhead costs rising from 15% to 25%), but they only rearrange the deck chairs on the sinking ship of our public lands.

A detailed analysis of the major provisions is on our website at this link.

Congress is on vacation until the week after Labor Day. When they return, the 2015 appropriations bills will be among the top items of business. If Bishop and Hastings succeed in getting HR 5204 attached to one of them, it’s almost guaranteed to pass.


What can stop it?
Only one thing can:
PUBLIC OUTRAGE – PUBLIC ACTION.

If you care about our public lands being turned into commodities available only to those who can afford to pay fees for everything, then you must let YOUR Representative and YOUR Senators hear from you. Tell them that this major change in public policy cannot be allowed, particularly without any public hearing or debate.

HR 5204 lacks any over-arching vision or framework of our public lands being spaces where we all are welcome and have access. Yet it’s being supported by groups like the National Parks Conservation Association, The Wilderness Society, and America Outdoors, because it throws a bone here and there to their special interests. But for the general public, there is nothing redeeming in this bill, nor any way it could be amended into something acceptable. It represents a complete change in public lands policy, which would be accomplished without public hearings or debate.


Tell your congressional delegation to OPPOSE HR 5204 and TO NOT ALLOW IT TO BE ATTACHED TO AN APPROPRIATIONS BILL!

All the contact information you need can be found at
The United States House of Representatives · House.gov
and
U.S. Senate.

* Use their webform.
* Call their office in Washington.
* Call their local office.
* Write, phone, fax, drop in in person.

Do all of the above. And then do it again!

Your personal action is urgently needed or this bill WILL PASS!

IF THAT HAPPENS, KISS YOUR ACCESS TO PUBLIC LANDS GOODBYE.

The Western Slope No-Fee Coalition is a broad-based organizationconsisting of diverse interests including hiking, biking, boating, equestrian and motorized enthusiasts, community groups, local and
state elected officials, conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats, and just plain citizens.

Our goals are:
* To eliminate recreation fees for general access to public lands managed by the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management
* To eliminate backcountry fees and interpretive program fees in National Parks
* To require more accountability within the land management agencies
* To encourage Congress to adequately fund our public lands

Thank you for your support!
 

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Bonaro

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LOL...you must be in the mid-west where you live a somewhat sheltered life.
Here in and around Washington State we have the following to deal with depending on where you go
BLM National Park pass = $80
Oregon Pacific Coast Passport = $35
Northwest forest pass (national forest) $30
US Fish and Wildlife pass $15
Discover pass for all state lands and forests = $30
Sno-park pass = $40
and lately the private timber companies like weyerhauser have started charging. $100 to $300 annually for access to their land.
All of these fees are on top of any hunting, fishing or dredging permits you must buy.

It seems the liberals have discovered that they can make us pay for using land that already belongs to us. If you have free access, protect it and enjoy it while it lasts.



It seems the liberals have discoveered
 

The Gilded Lens

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LOL...you must be in the mid-west where you live a somewhat sheltered life.
Here in and around Washington State we have the following to deal with depending on where you go
BLM National Park pass = $80
Oregon Pacific Coast Passport = $35
Northwest forest pass (national forest) $30
US Fish and Wildlife pass $15
Discover pass for all state lands and forests = $30
Sno-park pass = $40
and lately the private timber companies like weyerhauser have started charging. $100 to $300 annually for access to their land.
All of these fees are on top of any hunting, fishing or dredging permits you must buy.

It seems the liberals have discovered that they can make us pay for using land that already belongs to us. If you have free access, protect it and enjoy it while it lasts.



It seems the liberals have discoveered


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That's DISGUSTING!
 

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SLNugget

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LOL...you must be in the mid-west where you live a somewhat sheltered life.
Here in and around Washington State we have the following to deal with depending on where you go
BLM National Park pass = $80
Oregon Pacific Coast Passport = $35
Northwest forest pass (national forest) $30
US Fish and Wildlife pass $15
Discover pass for all state lands and forests = $30
Sno-park pass = $40
and lately the private timber companies like weyerhauser have started charging. $100 to $300 annually for access to their land.
All of these fees are on top of any hunting, fishing or dredging permits you must buy.

It seems the liberals have discovered that they can make us pay for using land that already belongs to us. If you have free access, protect it and enjoy it while it lasts.

It seems the liberals have discoveered

Actually I spend summers in WA and winters in AZ. Who is to blame for all the outrageous fees. The citizens who sat on their butt and let it happen. The same as will happen with this deal if there is not a public backlash and outcry. If the people of this country would pay half as much attention to what their elected representatives are doing as they do to reality TV and sports we would be much better off.
 

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SLNugget, i agree with you. very few people seen to really care enough to make the effort to help keep what freedoms we have left.
 

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LOL...you must be in the mid-west where you live a somewhat sheltered life. Here in and around Washington State we have the following to deal with depending on where you go BLM National Park pass = $80 Oregon Pacific Coast Passport = $35 Northwest forest pass (national forest) $30 US Fish and Wildlife pass $15 Discover pass for all state lands and forests = $30 Sno-park pass = $40 and lately the private timber companies like weyerhauser have started charging. $100 to $300 annually for access to their land. All of these fees are on top of any hunting, fishing or dredging permits you must buy. It seems the liberals have discovered that they can make us pay for using land that already belongs to us. If you have free access, protect it and enjoy it while it lasts.

Dude, did you miss the fact that this bill is sponsored by Republicans? It may be easy and fun to blame one party/group but the problem is bigger than that. Let's focus on solving problems and leave the distracting partisanship out of this thread.
 

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NEVER ever paid a red cent to anyone ever--with the exception of claims, but exclusive rights are worth that price-John
 

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In my e-mail to my congressman I also respectfully requested full repeal of the endangered species act. Defense +offense wins the game. Not bickering on the sideline.
 

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Emails and phone calls are fast and easy, however a written letter carries far more weight to the elected hacks.
 

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SLNugget

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Emails and phone calls are fast and easy, however a written letter carries far more weight to the elected hacks.

Correct sir. And if I am not mistaken they are required to respond to every letter.

Thanks to all making time to contact their elected representatives about this issue.
 

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Rob Bishop of Utah is the sponsor. Anyone in the area might want to give him your opinion on this.
 

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I wonder what kind of legal ramifications a well aimed rotten tomato at the local parade would bring.
 

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