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  1. #31
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    What trail? I make my own

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    Never once stated I just google lol Someone seems butt hurt.... If you read my earlier posts I also stated that I use those sites but you can also find information through the government websites and google to help expand your knowledge. This post was about geology and knowledge, not about your website.... I really doubt your website has all the documents that the government has posted throughout every state.

  2. #32
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    What trail? I make my own

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    I also doubt it has the geologist reports I have been reading for the past two years in my state. Because when I research other states they don't have the same Publication database as we do. So please go on with how your website is the absolute best to find information.

    This is the correct link
    https://glorecords.blm.gov/search/default.aspx
    Last edited by WaProspecting; Apr 07, 2018 at 09:29 PM.

  3. #33
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    MLM maps have the link to the GLO built in... the library has the reports.

    Its more up to date than the diggings and has the links to the county recorder ..though not all counties have docs. on line.

    Links to blm serial registry built in.

    Also historical claim data has returned.

    The map loads slow if you don't turn off all the layers before you zoom.

    people tend to complain about how something doesn't work without admitting how much they don't know how to use it

    Thanks for all your thankless work Barry. I'm glad I can help you when I can you deserve it.

  4. #34
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    What trail? I make my own

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    Stop promoting his website whens it's not the best for all the information. Yes, It's great to see claims and about mining but if you want other information you do have to research. You can use other research tools to help you in this trade/hobby and you're not just limited to that one LOL. Like you just stated, it doesn't have all the states and they are links to the GLO. I already know how to use government websites due to the fact I was a permit specialist. I also use google because people will post individual reports that aren't accessible on any website you know about or created. This doesn't mean I use that mapping system to create my own which shows how ignorant he is because I never said that once.

    I'll leave it at this, if you want to limit your learning capabilities then only use Land Matters. If you want to expand your knowledge on the trade and learn about geology then I recommend branching out and doing time researching individual reports, University reports, government reports, going to the public library, GOOGLING, etc.

  5. #35
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    Brian

    Mar 2014
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    One thing I have learned in life: Everyone has their own way of doing things. If it works for you and you are happy; that is fine and dandy. This forum is always a place to gain insight and has always offered opinions. Land Matters is constantly updating its' capabilities and information, and no doubt it has some limited "gather time"....in other words: information has to be placed and available to the public before Land Matters can gather it. That very same information "when made public" is available to all....but Land Matters will attempt to bring it all into one inet cite for access by any who choose to use it. Just an attempt to help people who may not know all the other places to look.

    Bejay
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  6. #36
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    stop promoting his website...lol. I'm a paying sponsor.

    I didn't say it was the only source. Try calming down a little bit.

    There are many things that can need to and will be added to MLM as it gets more support from users and industry people like me and the other sponsors.

    Your starting to approach insult vs. conversation and input. Tread lightly new guy.

  7. #37
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    Nov 2010
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    Since the subject is Geology it might be useful to know that the entire 90,000+ USGS geologic map catalogue is available from Land Matters with just a click on any of the State Geology Maps.

    Just select your state of interest and zoom into the area you want to study. Click on the map in [i] information mode and choose the "Map List" link in the window under "Link to more geologic maps". A new page will open with links to all the geologic maps for that area. Pick the maps you are interested in and click their titles to download. It's really just that simple!

    Those confusing letter designations on the rock types are not consistent from map to map. Each geologist uses their own notation on each map so what might be granodiorite on one map marked Xg could be Tkg on another map. Geologists are very independent types so you will need to pay close attention to the legend supplied with each map to understand what the symbology on that particular map means.

    The Geology structures displayed on the Land Matters State Geology Maps are an experiment in a general "unified geology". The symbology and colors of geologic units does not change from map to map. Once again using the [i] information mode a click on a geologic unit will bring up a window that displays the map symbol, description and name for that unit as well as a link to much more detailed information for that particular rock type and area. On the "Detailed Geological Classification" link you will also find the cites for the information displayed on the map. Follow up on those cites and read the reports the geologist created the map from. Surprisingly often those reports will tell you just how, why and where the gold is being deposited.

    For the new researcher it would be useful to look around areas that show different rock type interfaces, faults and dike swarms. Avoid sedimentary rock types if you are looking for lode minerals. Look for earlier era gravel deposits on shallow bedrock. Generally avoid recent holocene gravel deposits if there are earlier known gravel deposits in the same area. Gravels are generally denoted with a capital Q followed by a lower case letter. For instance Qy usually, but not always, indicates Holocene (recent) gravel deposits.

    If you know of a good gold bearing area study the geology of that area and how the different geologic units relate to the known mineral deposits. Look for similar geologic relationships nearby to find other areas of higher mineral potential. This is very location specific but it is a very useful method once you understand the local deposit geology.

    An example of that process is how the placer gold deposits in Gold Basin, Arizona are formed. In Gold Basin there are non gold bearing Holocene (recent) gravels covering much earlier gold bearing aluvial fanglomerate gravels. Where the older gravels are exposed through erosion the gold from the underlying deposit is concentrated in rich pockets near the surface. Knowing the geology, terrain and water flow/erosion patterns can lead you to the productive locations in Gold Basin rather than working the non gold bearing surface gravels.

    Although the Gold Basin example seems like a simple solution you need to realize each deposit is different. On the other side of the mountains from Gold Basin are the rich Lost Basin placers around Meadview. Although the terrain appears virtually identical on first sight the geology that created the gold deposits there is entirely different than the geology of Gold Basin. The knowledge and methods that are productive in Gold Basin when applied to Lost basin will leave you empty handed.

    In one area the gold might be found very near it's source in an eluvial deposit or it might be a stranded aluvial bench deposit on the side of a mountain. It's not all about the inside bend or using a sluice. Gold is where you find it. Studying the geology of a gold bearing area can first of all help eliminate the places that you will not find gold and then help you understand where the conditions are right to potentially find a good deposit.

    A good working knowledge of the geology of a potential prospecting area can get you on better gold quicker. Combine that with a knowledge of what lands are open to prospecting and claim and you are going to have a much better chance of getting on a good gold deposit right from your first day of boots on the ground. And that is what it's all about isn't it?

    Educate Yourself and Prosper!

    Heavy Pans

  8. #38
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    What trail? I make my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwasher View Post
    stop promoting his website...lol. I'm a paying sponsor.

    I didn't say it was the only source. Try calming down a little bit.

    There are many things that can need to and will be added to MLM as it gets more support from users and industry people like me and the other sponsors.

    Your starting to approach insult vs. conversation and input. Tread lightly new guy.
    You should talk to the owner/designer that started it then Also he keeps posting the wrong links that I don't even use, trying to promote his site and only his site for information on this hobby. Not stupid when it comes to business because I competed internationally in college for many different events.
    Also the mapping system is horrible to use in my opinion and he got butt hurt when I told him. He was still trying to tell me it was better and that he had all the information even though I have checked plenty of times. If you want to learn about geology Land Matters is not the place to go. It might have some information but other websites do provide a better layout and sometimes the full pdf file. Also stating that I'm stupid and don't know how to use his website when I'm a professional researcher in real life and have done mapping in the past just shows me the kind of person he is.

  9. #39
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    Brian

    Mar 2014
    Central Oregon Coast
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    A professional researcher. No kidding. I guess you expect everyone to have your expertise....and you are not stupid and have a history of international competition. One thing is certain: you sure lack respectful communication skills. Talk about butt hurt! Everyone has tried to calm you down and that is to no avail. I think it is time for the moderator to end this. Your comment "I know what kind of person he is" is over the top. Time for this thread to halt.

    Bejay
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  10. #40
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    What trail? I make my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bejay View Post
    A professional researcher. No kidding. I guess you expect everyone to have your expertise....and you are not stupid and have a history of international competition. One thing is certain: you sure lack respectful communication skills. Talk about butt hurt! Everyone has tried to calm you down and that is to no avail. I think it is time for the moderator to end this. Your comment "I know what kind of person he is" is over the top. Time for this thread to halt.

    Bejay
    Not mad at all... Tried to give my opinion but someone didn't like it.
    I would recommend if you need money, start posting advertisements and start taking view counts. Then presenting that information to companies. You would be surprised how much a company would pay for some of those spots on that website (depending on view count). You have a whole grass land picture and wooden picture that takes up a good amount space on that website. You could also end up posting links from local mining stores and make profit off each item sold. Then you could pay a professional to design and maintain the website. (About $100,000 for a professional coded website and that's not including the mapping/databases that would load instantly) This would make it more enjoyable/family friendly to use. You could afford this just through advertisements or store links and make this website the best in my opinion.

  11. #41
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    Brian

    Mar 2014
    Central Oregon Coast
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    By golly you just described the Land Matters mission statement and explained exactly how the Land Matters cite is structured....and what it does to help fund itself. It even has a person who is expert at obtaining Grant money...which has become extremely hard to get nowadays. Here I thought you already knew what kind of person Clay was and realized that the Land Matters mission statement as a non-profit educational/informational cite was done by professionals attempting to bring forth knowledge. I would recommend you might want to study how non-profits are structured and also the limitations that exist on "Treasure Net" to request things. Land Matters is being done by an expert professional who donates endless amounts of time. No doubt you find other methods more compliant with how you want to gather specific info. But I can assure you one thing is certain: There is no better information person I know of that has the knowledge Clay has pertaining to mining and all the issues pertaining to it. I see you are a newbie when it comes to the "prospecting/rock hounding/and such. I would suggest you not focus on what you don't like vs like and accept that which gains you an alliance as opposed to making attacks.

    One thing I know for certain: Clay is only wanting to convey knowledge and you can see he has not even stood up for himself. He is nothing but an expert professional who spends his life sharing his knowledge. He chooses his words very carefully and in his world "words" matter....far more than you can ever imagine.

    Bejay
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  12. #42
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    WaProspecting I realize you don't understand the context of what is happening with Land Matters and the prospecting community. You are new to this site and prospecting and I applaud your efforts to educate yourself. Your seeming obsession with having "better" information I'll chalk up to inexperience and youth, for now I'll give your hubris a free pass.

    Here's some of the background of what you have walked into. Land Matters was started by concerned prospectors and mining professionals who were convinced the constant removal of publicly available information was a detriment to miners and prospectors. You were probably still in school when the BLM removed the working parts of the geocommunicator mapping system in 2011. The geocommunicator was your typical tiny barely functional government map but it had some critical information for prospectors and miners when it sometimes worked. Without things like mining claims mapping and case file access prospectors and miners had to turn to the, also barely functional, LR2000.

    There were no visual mapping alternatives available and the unannounced removal of the geocommunicator functions simply predated the removal of the National Atlas and it's 400 interactive map layers of information in 2014. Neither the geocommunicator nor the National Atlas functions were ever fully replaced despite hundreds of millions of dollars in program funds and years of promises.

    After that things went rapidly downhill for the serious researcher. Various functional, but scattered, information sources were being closed down to provide a NEW IMPROVED! data access interface. The first effort at that unified data store can be seen at the Data.gov site. Time on that site will leave you wondering where the actual data went, clearly not there despite a huge and ongoing budget. Next came the promise of a NEW IMPROVED! geocommunicator. Three years later we have the Navigator data and mapping site as a replacement. Another worthless boondogle that provides none of the functionality of the previous geocommunicator even when you can get the page to load.

    The LR2000 has also been revamped and IMPROVED! to the point of worthlessness. Many features and datasets are still missing from that web interface. The old geocommunicator and LR2000 were clunky and often offline but the NEW IMPROVED! replacements are even worse. The same researchers who used to complain about the barely functional geocommunicator and LR2000 now wish they had those horrible experiences to relive again. The replacement versions are really that bad. This has led to a new standard disclaimer for those "informational" websites:
    At this time, the pages on this website are not 100% accessible.
    Almost exactly 4 years ago a few of us held a meeting to see if we could find a way to provide the services prospectors, miners and land users had lost in the ongoing government assault on information access. Land Matters, the educational non profit charity, was born out of that effort and has grown in size and functionality every month since. Land Matters is driven by user needs so if you happen to see something "missing" from Land Matters it's a simple matter of contacting them and letting them know your needs. If enough people want a similar service the request becomes an action item and will eventually be included in the resources available on the Land Matters website.

    Land Matters was started with a generous donation by one of the members here. This guy isn't known to toot his own horn so I'll do it for him. Bejay is a miner with 40+ years of successful gold mining experience. He knows his geology, techniques and equipment and shares his knowledge with all who are smart enough to ask. It was his donation that gave Land Matters the capital to get started. Bejay is the Chairman of the Board for the Land Matters Charity to this day. Former Olympic athlete, successful businessman and a nice guy with a lot of knowledge and a good heart.

    Neither Bejay nor any staff of Land Matters is paid for their service. It's a volunteer organization that relies exclusively on donations from it's supporters. The average donation is about $30. There are no government funds provided or corporate grants. Land Matters doesn't have any advertising and doesn't track or share user information. Those supporters number in the hundreds on Tnet alone so when you criticize Land Matters efforts you might experience some backlash from the people who are helping to create this resource.

    I'm a professional cartographer and researcher for the mining industry. I have a "day job" in mining. I'm also a volunteer for Land Matters. I did indeed design and code the mapping interface. Sometime when you get some more experience with mapping I'd be happy to explain to you the advantages of a true interactive mapping application. The Executive Director of Land Matters is a spatial database expert and a former forensic accountant for several large non profits. She isn't paid either even though her credentials have allowed her to perform as CFO for several large corporations and non profits. Land Matters has a great group of volunteers to help them including Landsmen, Mining Engineers, Surveyors and several degreed professionals. For all these people Land Matters is a labor of love.

    Land Matters user base would probably surprise you. Among the millions of researchers who visit the site each year some of our biggest users are the Department of Interior, BLM, Forest Service, several highly ranked Universities, several large mining companies, State governments and many visitors from more than 100 countries. Land Matters is ranked in the top 1% of websites both in the U.S. and internationally. All that in less than 4 years online with an annual budget of less than $10,000.

    Land Matters is far from being perfect. It is the most current information source for mining claims maps on the web and provides the only online resource that includes land management, PLSS, geology and much more critical information in one place.

    Now you've learned a little more about Land Matters. Maybe that will help you understand why Land Matters has as it's core mission to inform and educate.

    Heavy Pans

  13. #43
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    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackchipjim View Post
    Good afternoon to all, so as I sit pondering if I will ever have enough of a knowledge base to prospect for gold properly I turn to audience once again. I have for a better part of two years watched countless videos on rocks and minerals. Most on you tube but other sources as well that are available on the Internet if for no other reason than availability. I have learned a lot but not enough and will continue to learn both on the net and in the field when possible. My big question how many of the miners here are certified or have been doing this for a really long time.I am impressed by most of you on this site by the way.
    Attempting to get the thread back on topic I will offer another opinion that may be of help. Any prospector that spends endless hours/years digging for "gold" in an area that has gold deposits will gain a lot of knowledge and expertise from their hands on workings. One does not need a full degree in geology to gain some expertise in prospecting/locating/mining. General Geology courses such as Geology 101 afford the prospector/miner the ability to understand what they are seeing and why. Many gold mining areas have books written about them.....some more scientific than generalized observations. Geology utilizes a whole language of unique terms/terminology that afford an individual some understanding of scientific data/info. For many prospecting/mining can be very seasonal and if one can simply obtain a general geology text book that is used at a major university: one can learn an awful lot. Lets take an example of placer gold being deposited. That occurrence in geologic time is endless and for endless reasons. When one encounters things in the field while prospecting it is really nice to know what you are dealing with and why. I could spend endless hours describing such occurrences. That understanding helps make determinations; but the "doing the work" gets the gold out of the ground. Most gold bearing areas have been discovered. And most have data/research/geologic mapping/etc/etc on them. The internet offers a lot of info today...but when you are actually out in the field working; the geologic knowledge is helpful. There is so much in the study of geology. Glacial deposition vs stream/river erosion. Desert deposition/dispersion/wind. Understanding and identifying minerals is helpful. Understanding intrusive igneous rocks is helpful. Understanding simple stream/river patterns is helpful. But your initial question asked if miners had the geologic background vs not. Probably not so much geologic background as simple hands on doing it.

    Bejay

  14. #44
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    captain

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    I have had numerous threads from other sites of different venues jackbooted so to speak. I don't want this thread locked because of discourse . I do appreciate the help all you gentlemen and ladies may add to my simple questions. I don't have the expertise or experience being a greenhorn in the gold prospecting genre. Anybody here has opinions and that is a good thing. Thanks for everyone's help.

  15. #45
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    land matters is a very useful tool in finding maps and claim history.
    promoting LM is not necessary here. it's a utility to most people not a business. totally free.

    many thanks and tons of likes to clay diggings.
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